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Hunter vs. Hunter: The Battle for Sunday Hunting

by Dylan Polk   |  May 30th, 2012 63

Grungy No Hunting SignLet’s be honest: Hunting is not mainstream. I know it sounds blasphemous to say, but in modern society, hunting has sort of fallen by the wayside in favor of living indoors and typing “YOLO” on Facebook whenever you do something totally crazy.

Today, hunting has a lot of opponents. My colleagues and I have made no secret about our disdain for Ingrid Newkirk and her band of attention whores. Similar organizations threaten the very way of life for hunters by means of sabotaging hunts, or by lobbying for ammo bans without concrete scientific data.

Despite all this, the real opposition for hunters in the northeast doesn’t come bearing signs screaming “Meat is murder!” Rather, hunters needn’t look any further than their own peers to see who’s really stepping on their rights.

The Sunday hunting debate is one that has raged on for years. With origins in Puritanical blue laws, legislation barring hunting on Sunday keeps hunters from enjoying their lifestyle while still fitting in time for work and family during the rest of the week.

Under the guise of keeping the Sabbath holy — which is all fine and good, if you choose to follow that religion — states have been able to keep a number of trades besides hunting from going down on Sunday. Cars, alcohol and even housewares have been prohibited under blue laws — some to this day.

Today, there are 11 states that prohibit or restrict hunting to some extent. While most have exceptions to the rule, two states — Maine and Massachusetts — ban Sunday hunting altogether.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, there are some who wish to keep it this way, but the shocking part is just who is trying to keep hunters out of the woods on Sunday.

Pennsylvania lawmakers are no strangers to the hunting debate. For the last few years, the state’s Sunday hunting ban has been on the chopping block, yet the push from hunters was receiving pushback from other hunters.

In a July 3, 2011, story published in The (Easton, Pa.) Express-Times, state Rep. Joe Emrick, R-Northampton, who is a member of the House Game and Fisheries Committee, recognized the opposition coming from a surprising source.

“It’s a very polarizing issue,” he said. “And the feedback that I’m getting from most hunters and hunters in my district is that they are opposed to it, surprisingly.”

In the same story, state Rep. Marcia Hahn, R-Northampton, said the hunters in her district tend to side with farmers.

“I did speak to a lot (of hunters) in my district,” Hahn said. “They are against it because of the farmers in that area are against Sunday hunting.” Now, the battle for Sunday hunting will move on to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, with grassroots organizations on the front lines hoping to overturn the state law.

“Lawmakers had 25-plus years to act on this and they did not, so we’re going to take it out of their hands and go straight to the courts,” said Kathy Davis, a volunteer for Hunters United for Sunday Hunting.

Pennsylvania isn’t the only state where Sunday hunting is (hopefully) on its way out. In Connecticut, the state legislature recently repealed the state’s Sunday alcohol prohibition — yet Sunday hunting is still illegal. Same goes in Virginia, where proposed legislation to repeal Sunday hunting bans have been tabled for the remainder of the year.

But why the opposition? A report published by the National Shooting Sports Foundation claims up to 27,400 jobs could be created by lifting bans and restrictions in all 11 states, potentially paying $734,187,827 in wages and bringing in about $2,216,691,102 in economic activity.

Hard to argue with those kinds of numbers, but amazingly, some still have a problem with it, and the vocal minority continues to get its way.

Beyond economic growth, Sunday bans and restrictions really hamper hunters’ time to get out in the field — which in turn cuts back on recruitment.

“While I can’t overlook the ironic, unconstitutional nature of Sunday hunting laws, there is really a bigger, more unfortunate issue at stake,” said Mike Schoby, editor of Petersen’s Hunting. “In today’s uber-hectic world, the two-day weekend is one of the few brief moments families get to spend together. With soccer, tee-ball and other sports usually taking up most Saturdays, this leaves only Sunday for parents to take children hunting.

“Remove that day and what happens? Reduced recruitment, reduced participation and a future generation that doesn’t know anything about hunting other than a vague recollection that father ‘used to do it.’ If you want to get more kids afield to continue our great heritage, removing obstacles like Sunday hunting laws is mandatory.”

Yet the vocal minority continues to get its way. Though the bans remain in place for now, the fight is growing stronger than it has ever been. It may not be long until states finally repeal Sunday hunting bans and restrictions.

Until then, we’ll just have to keep fighting the good fight, and make the most of Saturday.SundayHuntingMapThis map, provided by the Coalition to Lift State Bans on Sunday Hunting, shows states with restrictions or bans on Sunday hunting. For more information on individual state statutes, click here. And be sure to make your voice heard; visit our friends at Sportsmen Vote and take their poll.

  • Jack Muench

    I'm all for Sunday hunting, but the economic figures you cite seem absurd.

  • Pete

    yes, I too, don't understand the support that the ban on Sunday hunting has with PA hunters. I even had a long drawn out email aguement with someone here at work (Reading, PA) about it. His only grip was that he would support it if the overall season was then reduced by the number of Sundays in the that season. So, for instance, our Whitetail buck season traditionally runs from the Monday after Thanksgiving to the seceond Saturday after that. Using his formula, we have one Sunday in that so if Sunday was a hunting day, then the season would have to end on the second Friday.

    But I failed to use the above argument about recuitment. I'll have to give it another go with him!

    • CXL

      Wonder how many hunters opposing Sunday hunting do golf, tennis or baseball(insert your own activity here) on Sunday?? Ask them why they discriminate.

      MI had some no Sunday hunting counties, mostly in the S/SE part of the state. They were put in place back in the early 1900's to keep blacks from hunting. That was the only day most of them did not work. We still have handgun registration for pretty much the same reason-instituted by the KKK and sheriff to keep blacks from getting guns. We are close to getting rid of those laws. They never have assisted in catching one criminal.

  • Roger

    Pass it and hurry up about it ! This senseless law need's to be eliminated so the average hunter can pursue his favorite sport on one of the only day's he has off and has a chance to go hunting. There are no time's to go for the average hunter to enjoy this much needed sport and the need to reduce the herd and traffic accident's that are the cause of to many deer. MAKE IT HAPPEN AND DO IT NOW. !!!

  • Alex Bowler

    One only has to live in a State that has hunting 7 days a week to realize how absurd the prohibition on Sunday hunting is. Many people work and have only the weekend to hunt.

  • Kevin Gregory

    The information on here about North Carolina is a little inaccurate. You CAN bow hunt on Sundays on Private Land Only. It passed last year. But I can shoot a rifle better. I’m not religious so, let me hunt!

  • http://www.facebook.com/matt.obrien.140 Matt OBrien

    Virginia is fighting to give it's citizens the freedom and liberty to choose. The law change that we seek would not say you MUST hunt on Sunday.

    We are communicating and gathering on the facebook page Legalize Virginina Sunday Hunting for All: http://www.facebook.com/groups/vasundayhunting4al…

  • http://www.facebook.com/matt.obrien.140 Matt OBrien

    It would be really great if Petersen's hunting would post a link to the Sunday hunting article in the latest issue. David Hart's article "Hunters Against … Hunting?" needs to be spread far and wide to call those hunters to account who are standing against increased hunter access to the woods.

  • HuntSunday

    To find Hunters United for Sunday Hunting, visit us at http://www.huntsunday.com and help us lift the ban.

  • HuntSunday
  • James

    Since we have always had the right to hunt Sundays as we wish, and I have(after church was out), this issue has never been front and center here. I don't see any real religious doctorine to support it either.

    I really don't see an issue with restricting hunting on your own land on Sundays, but it should really not be a legislative issue. Many homeowners take Sunday as their one day to sit around with family and relax, and if you are a land owner, perhaps the sound of gunfire isn't your idea of relaxing. I know how annoying it is to hear the constant shooting at the neighboring gun club, and sure wish I could shut them up during my peaceful sits on the deer stand, but alas, it is what it is. Perhaps if the state isn't hunter friendly, you should move on to somewhere that is. Look at the big map of areas with legal Sunday hunting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alex.gnatiuk.5 Alex Gnatiuk

    I wish Pa the best of luck and hope that Sunday Hunting can become a choice just like going to church or watching a football game. Unfortunately the suit seems misrepresented by the group. A initial suit against the state at the Supreme Court level will be very unlikely..

  • ToddK1

    There are many dirty politics at play in Pennsylvania today. This sunday hunting deal is being pushed increditbly, by a nonhunter envirnmentalist nut faction. They want more and more deer dead and there is a strong extreme enviro agenda in play at our wildlife management agency thats been ongoing for over a decade now. __The poster "Huntsunday" is a representative of a "greenie" organization and she has pushed for much hunter unfriendly legsilation and tried to impose her extreme views on our state as a lobbyist, and as an internet "warrior".

  • ToddK1

    She is not a hunter friendly individual and has no interest in this for hunters beneifit. It is just beneficial to her own cause.__I want sunday hunting as much as the next guy. But the main reason it has not passed here is because the legsilators of the state and many hunters do not trust the game commission with yet another way to kill more deer. This is simply a tool they wish to use to go into the next phase of deer decimation mode. Until hunter friendly individuals are in place on the staff at pgc and board, instead of the eco-nuts, then and only then should we support this initiative.___Documented deciet, put together by noted wildlife biologist whom is backed by the states largest sportsmen group: _ _http://www.acsl-pa.org/

    and this "lawsuit" is nothing more than a money making attempt by a defunct organization that is going broke and desparate. PFSC. A combination hunter + environmentalist organization, where enviros rule and most hunters have dropped out causing financial distress.

  • Randall Flagg

    There are many folks who have prior committments that they cannot break to hunt on Sundays. Consequently, it is their wish that no one be allowed to hunt on that day. They have no right to call themselves sportsmen!

  • PA Hunter

    I am all for Sunday Hunting In PA but I fear the true intentions of the 2 people leading this HUSH charge. Had it been someone other than these 2 spearheading this movement I am certain that the group would have much more support.

    "Its not what your saying but how your saying it" holds true in this case.

  • HuntSunday

    Wow. If you guys think that envionmental extreemists are the ones pushing for Sunday hunting; then I'd have to guess if your motives are anti-hunting extreemists? The proper paperwork is filed and on the donate page of http://www.huntsunday.com; and I am fairly sure the editor of Petersens is familiar with who I am. :) Why don't you head back over to the HSUS web page where ya came from.

  • HuntSunday

    :)

  • Pa deer hunter

    As always the malcontents chime in and attempt to discredit the efforts of true sportsmen. I trust the people leading HUSH. I don't know them personally, but I have read many of their comments and believe in them.

  • ToddK1

    You dont speak for sportsmen lying ecoextremist. You never have, and you never will. You kathy are well known as you know among the hunter & legislature ranks. They do not like you or your agenda. Deer arent the devil himself Miss Davis. Get over it.

  • ToddK1

    Pa deer hunter, you would trust "hush" because you sir are one of the founders, "huntsundays" right hand man. HUSH is a good name, thats exactly what you two ecoflakes need to do.

  • REAL pa hunter

    This "HUSH" group is BAD news. Its Pen Fed flying a different banner because they have lost all credibility with sportsmen of Pa. I support sunday hunting. I do not support these nitwits.

  • Jonathan Floyd III

    I found this site because of a link on an enviro website the lady in question posted this on. The woman pushing this subscribes to the Ted Williams philosophy of riding sportsmen coat-tails to achieve enviro objectives, knowing there is alot more clout there than having herself and a handful of like minded whiners complaining about the issues.

    I would not encourage anyone to support this "hush" garbage". There is a lot more to it than meets the eye.

  • Amos

    Jon, you are right on da money. That one is constantly sticking her nose into hunter issues where it does not belong.

  • Amos

    Jon, you are right on da money. That one is constantly sticking her nose into hunter issues where it does not belong.

    She gets blasted for it everywhere she posts by many. Everywhere that is except the one sight where she posts regularly and gets preferential treatment and is backed by the enviromentally minded moderators who dont allow anyone to point out the truth.

  • The Truth

    Kathy Davis(qdma assoc director) should be investigated by the IRS. Question everything about this woman. Her politics/lobbying efforts will open your eyes.

  • NOTHANKS

    Only reason she is a qdma member is for "credibility". The membership is poor in Pa and they needed members & officers. She was only too happy to oblige. I have looked into this person and many believe she is an antihunter trying some bizarre way of taking down hunting. I think that is a stretch. But she is definately no friend of ours. Legislators I have talked with say she is rabidly anti deer and have never seen anyone who hates them so much. I thought that was interesting for a supposed "qdma" member. But old uncle teddy williams well known greeny, as one poster pointed to already, did say to join hunting groups to gain credibility didnt he?

  • Pa deer hunter

    Other than a donation to HUSH I have no associaation or know personally anyone there. Todd K keep on ranting. How many screen names do you use?

  • HuntSunday

    "Sybil" has been following me around since Outdoor Life named me one of the OL 25 (most influential people in hunting; fishing and wildlife management in the nation). :) I guess I should feel flattered that he feels threatened? If anyone wants to check our credentials; here is the Department of State's Non-Profit Corporations Bureau. https://www.corporations.state.pa.us/corp/soskb/c… Feel free to search for us- Hunters United for Sunday Hunting. We welcome an audit. If anyone uses PAYPAL, they know the immaculate records they keep.

  • The Truth

    People should be less concerned, Kathy, with if HUSH has their I's dotted and their T's crossed, and more concerned with how Kathy Davis makes her money and who she is "in bed with". Im sure everyone would be surprised to know how much time you spend at the capital, just who you're hob knobbing with, and why. Everyone should feel threatened by you and your agenda.

  • The real truth

    For all of you fellas spewing the hate, lies and filth here, have you been contacted by the folks that actually hate hunters and hunting yet, HSUS? Not to be confused with HUSH. You all are no better than them.

    Your campaign against pro hunters and prohunting initiatives based on personal vendettas is dispicable. But hey, the internet is a great place to stay hidden behind the magic curtain on the wall and throw jabs from behind it without a name, face or a reputation to mantain or be accountable for.

    Those are the real hidden agendas here and the posts above make it painfully obvious. Every one of you is free to work in productive ways to achieve what you feel is for the best interest of hunters and hunting. Much easier to internet stalk and hit below the belt in childish ways. Pathetic.

  • The Truth

    Real hunters campaign views that rally hunters, not divide. Real hunters campaign issues that bring together hunters and non hunters, not divide. Real hunters have a working relationship with the private landowners who provide our hunting opportunities, the farmer. From day one, Ms Davis has continued to boast the minority view. As recently as HB 1760, Ms Davis has disregarded the farmers views as non issues. Pushing for legislation to enable SH while knowing full well the issues we have here in PA. Potentially further hurting landowner/hunter, and non hunter/hunter relations. Unless some fast editing occurs, her detrimental views toward the landowners that create the most hunting opportunities in PA are easily searchable on the pro PGC website huntingpa.com. Her political views are found on other web sites, including facebook. Ms Davis talks a good talk, but in the end her views are far from hunter friendly. Every issue she has been involved with has created more and more division in the hunter ranks. Perfect example was the introduction of the mentored youth program, which at its inception didnt mandate a tag. No, take little johnny hunting and write his harvest on notebook paper! Fortunately, this huge potential for increased poaching was eliminated by mandating a tag.

    You want to talk pathetic? Pathetic is this sorry excuse not only pushing for SH legislation, but bringing forth a lawsuit without once attacking the lackluster trespass law in PA, the single easiest way to step up and try to create a bond between the landowner and the hunter. Pathetic is shoving SH down our throats, current issues be damned! You can go on and on, but the fact remains that this woman is a huge detriment and liability to the hunting sport. The division of our ranks by this woman and her ilk has NEVER been matched by the likes of HSUS! And THAT is the real truth!

  • HuntSunday

    http://www.repevans.com/Video/922493467/House_Gam…

    Feel free to tune in at about 3 hours and 44 minutes into the House Game and Fisheries Committee hearing where I testified in front of the Committee; along with US Sportsmen's Alliance; Rob Southwick of Southwick and Associates, and the Executive Director of the Game Commission; Carl Roe. No editing done on this. This is legislative testimony.

    People are free to view and come to their own conclusions.

    We're nearly at $10,000 in donations. Care to contribute? http://www.huntsunday.com

  • Kevin Saunder

    So dumb and dumber have snuck into a hunter clubs to gain credibility and political clout, yet all they can manage from the 800 or so pgc employees, the pennfed membership, qdma and the public after smearing their money begging across the internet and media, is measely 10k after over a month of begging?
    hahahahahahaha!

    They also failed at getting pa game commission a fee increase with their goofy petition that ended up with more fictitious disney character names than real people.

    These two are the laughing stock of the hunting boards. I guess most others don't take them seriously either.

  • Nate the Great

    I really really really want sunday hunting for myself and my children. But this person Kathy Davis person does not speak for me or the states hunters. She is an environmentalist. Nothing more nothing less. Those of us that know here are all too familiar with that fact. She thinks if she screams it often enough and loud enough that she is a hunter advocate that enough unknowing people will start to believe it. She just wants to speak for us. Especially on the deer management front. That can never happen. For those reasons I have to go against my desires for sunday hunting for now and will not support this groups efforts.

  • Pa deer hunter

    If you really really really want Sunday hunting for yourself and your children then support HSUS, and let the PGC do their job and protect the resource.

  • Pa deer hunter

    OOPS! I meant HUSU of coures.

  • Todd

    I have been part of the Sunday hunting fight in Virginia since there's been a fight. The one thing that gets me is the whole argument about "Farmers not wanting it". Well, my family has farmed the same piece of land, along with hunting and trapping it, for more than 6 generations…and at no time have we been told that we HAVE to let anyone hunt on it. What I mean by that is, how can a farmer or landowner say that their argument AGAINST Sunday hunting is based on people hunting their land? That is so ridiculously absurd, I cannot even begin to explain it. A landowner can tell anyone, at anytime, on any day when they hunt or access his/her property. That can be a Tuesday, Friday, and yes, even Sunday.

    The reason Virginia keeps the ban in place is simply religious. The land gentry in the center of the state that have the ACNR (Agriculture Chesapeake and natural Resources) subcommittee in their pockets through monetary and blackmail, keeps it banned. Chairman Lee Ware simply chooses to table it at the General Assembly and is NOT held accountable for his actions. Polls have shown that the hunters are for it, but he and lobbyist Kirby Burch, keep it banned for their own selfish reasons. It's simple and that's the truth. No one holds these twp accountable for outright lies and misinformation about Sunday Hunting in Virginia.

    Since when can a landowner not determine who can come on his/her property? Since when?!

  • PO'd Farmer

    Todd, its called law. You should be used to them by now. We have them for numerous reasons. Set backs, dwelling type, septic type, noise ordinances, pets restrictions….etc etc…and NO SUNDAY HUNTING. The majority of Pennsylvanians like it that way. A bunch of skewed polls, whether in PA or VA, showing a warm reception toward sunday hunting forgets just how small the percentage of hunters their are in the general population. And these idiots from HUSH know it. Which is why they wouldnt proceed to get it on a ballot in PA. They know sunday hunting would get shot down in a heart beat. The PEOPLE of PA do not want sunday hunting!! Heck, even the majority of HUNTERS do not want it!! But a GREEDY FEW are going to push this up our hind ends!! Its total horse manure!

  • Pa deer hunter

    If we ever put hunting on a "ballot" and asked the majority of Pennsylvanians what days should we hunt, the vote would be none. What the "majority of Pennsylvanians" don't understand is even if all Sundays in all hunting seasons were added to the hunting seasons It would only be a handfull of Sundays and at a time of year when "the majority of Pennsylvainans" don't go outdoors.

  • BowMan

    HUSH should be named BUSH, (Business's United for Sunday Hunting). I have no interest in increasing any private companies profit by supporting Sunday hunting.

  • JimMoto

    I would like to see a National hunt on Sunday law pass as Sunday is one of the two days I have off from work. I learned something years ago while taking my second, I have two sons, hunter safety course with my youngest son, the largest oposition we face as sportsmen, hunters or fisherman, etc., is our own inactivity. The "anti's" are "actively" seeking to take our rights and priviledges away and we, generally speaking, are not doing anything to support our sport other than participating in it. Have you taken a neighborhood child to a local pond, or maybe to a shooting range? Our sporting heritage is going away with the future generations and unless we become active in this whole debate we may lose hunting altogether……….

  • What a joke

    JimMoto, your excuse is you only have two days off work? Thats it? You want sundays because they are your only days off? How long have you been at your present job? You dont have vacation? Sick days? I find it very hard to believe you dont have enough time to hunt. I work 7 days a week, 365 days a year. I work Easter, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. I also have vacation. Time that I use to do want makes me happy. One week for family, 2 weeks for hunting. If I can find the time to hunt, anyone can. And I dont expect anyone to change the laws in their state to appease me. Unfortunately, we have too many folks with a me, me, me attitude.

  • Pa deer hunter

    What a joke who are you to decide what is enough time for someone else to hunt? Maybe your family would like to spend two or three weeks vacation together instead of one? None of my business of coures but it's not your business to judge others by your standards. Talk about me me me attitude, I suggest you look in the mirror. I have a job that affords me plenty of time to hunt, I support HUSU not for myself but for those that don't have enough time to hunt.

  • What a joke

    Who am I? Me me me attitude? Not I. Im not the one who has 6 days a week begging for the 7th when the majority doesnt want it. Im not the one making false financial, safety, and political claims to push a minority view. Im not the one who cannot prioritize my social, and personal time. Im not the one asking the majority to bend over backwords to cater to the tenth of a percent of the population who simply cannot live without sunday hunting. Since 1873, millions and millions of PA hunters have sacrificed to do what they love. Hunt. Yet here we are, making excuses for a few who cannot get their lives in order, doubling the risk of weekend trespass problems, asking land holders to change their lifestyles/business pratices, not asking anyones opinions or taking a vote….we are gonna shove it down their throats , whether they want it or not! Total horse manure!! Its greed plain and simple! Your way of thinking has done more in the past 20 yrs to ruin our sport than any anti organization has ever done, or will do. Sunday hunting has lent more to commercialization and posted property/lack of hunting access than it has benefited! Time to get your head out of your arse and get real!

  • Wendel

    The biggest problem is that we can not trust the fraud game commission. Their lies and nonsense if well documented. I cant believe they are still allowed to remain in power let alone giving them more.

  • Legal Eagle

    Heres the kicker folks. This lawsuit claims PA's sunday hunting ban is illegal. Problem is, PA DOESNT BAN SUNDAY HUNTING!!!! Anyone CAN HUNT on sunday! PA restricts what animals can be hunted on sunday. The courts will see this as a reasonable restriction. Mark my words!

  • Legal Eagle

    "No, I wouldn't go that far, but I don't think a farmer has the right to deny me hunting my own land or public land, on a Sunday.

    THAT is what is going on here.

    Just as it's ludicrous to this society to think you couldn't play baseball on a Sunday, it should be equally ludicrous to not hunt on a Sunday, on your own lands or public lands."

    That is a quote from one of these FOOLS from HUSH on another website. As I said in my previous post, PA DOESNT BAN SUNDAY HUNTING!! These mental midgets took your money! When are their followers going to realize they are idiots????

  • raising a doubt

    So on this orgs website, they claim to be a non-profit charitable orginization. How can this be concidered a charity? Seriously?

  • Pa deer hunter

    Legal Eagle… Heres the real Kicker, the Blue law that restricts Sunday hunting is a State law Not a game law. Pa. (the State) does ban hunting for Some species on Sundays. That law is the focus of HUSH. That law will fall and you can mark my words.

    Now. Once the PGC has the authority to regulate All game on Sundays If they choose to keep things the way they are then I would agree that it could be seen as reasonable game/ hunting law restrictions.

  • mouth

    Hard to tell who is legit on this site with sybil running rampant

  • VINce

    Maybe the hunters from N.J. should shut down PA. completely & hunt N.Y. across the Deleware River where sunday hunting is legal The Pa. people can't figure out who they want for president How can they make a decision this small Go Romney & I'm a registered Democrat

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  • deerhunterzeke

    This is being started (hush) by an environmental fringe group. NOT HUNTERS. Although I support sunday hunting, there is a political agenda at play where deer management is concerned, and that is the only reason "hush" wants it. The group consists of 2 very well known and "antideer" environmentalists, and a past pgc exec. director who pushed for deer herd annihilation. They do not have sportsmen in mind here, only political agendas.

    The founder said that money if not sufficient, and it won't be, will be donated to an environmental group. So if you arent interested in radical environmental agenda supporting, as opposed to actually getting sunday hunting, you might want to find better ways to spend your money.

    And for the record, it appears that the only reason she is shown in the picture with a deer is bacause many have pointed her out as being a nonhunting environmental extremist. She wants to shed that label. Obviously knows hunters carry more political clout that 'greenies'.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dave.je.902 Dave Je

    You are 100% right Zeke. This hush group is not a legitimate hunter group, it is a small group of well known environmentalists trying to gain political weight by posing as "hunters". This has been an ongoing thing with them for several years now prior to this "hush" crap. They want sunday hunting and everything else they can think of, to kill off more of the evil deer that eat their wildflowers. Environmental extremists. Deer hunting has already been messed up enough in Pa.

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  • Skip Carlsbaugh

    Why do you think they call her “Crazy Kathy”? Not good for hunters or hunting in Pa.

  • Skip Carlsbaugh

    Is There an Environmentally Extreme Agenda Behind H.U.S.H?

    HUSH SUNDAY HUNTING LAWSUIT ALL ABOUT KILLING MORE DEER?

    Exactly who is HUSH (short for Hunters United for Sunday Hunting). That is the question everyone is asking. That is what we have explored and the results are not quite fitting in with hushes claims that this is all about the future of hunting, constitutionality etc. Many believe they are just politically driven environmentalists as opposed to the “hunter advocates” they would like legislators and others to believe.

    Lets take an in depth look at the 4 people who make up HUSH and their motives for doing so.

    First, we start with Kathy Davis, the groups founder. A known enviroextreme type, Kathy has pushed and lobbied for legislation and regulation that would lower the states deer herd for years. The causes she has championed pretty much mirror those suggested by the audubon deer forum for things “needed” to further reduce the deer herd. She has also many environmental connections, and has voted for further herd reductions on a citizen advisory committee where she took part, even though the Pa Game Commission had a set goal of stabilization. She was voted down by the majority of the other participants on the committee, and her initiative failed. She had also had an interest in obtaining a PGC commissioner seat for unit 2A, but her attempt was quashed by concerned sportsmen voicing concerns over the proposed nominee. Ms. Davis has also alienated several legislators with her percieved extremism and dogged determination when it comes to her misguided lobbying efforts. There are also multiple pgc commissioners that have also said they have “tuned her out” for the same reasons. Some members of one of the larger sportsmen groups in the state, apparently confused by so much percieved extremism, have actually inquired about her being an ANTI-hunter.

    Vern Ross, another of the hush members is, interestingly enough, the former executive director of the Pennsylvania Game Commission who was a driving force behind getting deer herd reduction into place. Vern will forever be looked back upon as one of the most controversial figures in Pa game management history for the role he played in forever changing Pa deer management under the Ridge administrations deer program.

    Don Heckman, a very active participant when it came to weighing in on game issues, has consistently voiced strong support for the deer management plan and reductions. Taking a very extreme stance on the issue for years. A very adament supporter of the Pa Game Commission deer plan, as were some of his close nwtf colleagues. Mr. Heckman has certainly done some good things for wild turkey management in the state, and that should not go ignored in this brief summary.

    Josh First. Mr. First has quite the lengthy list of environmentalist ties. He is also very active in the environmental arena, so much so, he was pointed to as being an environmental extremist by one of the states largest sportsmen groups who opposed his nomination when he tried to gain an appointment to the Pa game commissions board of commissioners. He has also worked at the Environmental Protection Agency, Dcnr (under Tom Ridge) is on the policy council of 10,000 friends of Pennsylvania and is coordinator for ‘Pa Habitat Alliance’ which is headed by the Audubon Society. His environmentalism resume is far too lengthy to list here, but much informtion is available online. Mr. First also made a failed attempt to gain the senatorial seat of Pa district 15 in 2012.

    Many believe that these people are nothing more than very willing pawns in the “deer wars” and it certainly looks that this may indeed be the case. Sunday hunting would go a long way towards being able to harvest more deer, and thereby further what some are calling an “environmentally extreme” agenda.

    It is our belief that the unsupportable deer herd reductions and resulting maleffects of extremely low hunter satisfaction and drop out is very damaging to our hunting heritage in Pennsylvania and it has gone on long enough.

    * THE IS A PUBLIC ALERT COURTESY OF THE CONCERNED SPORTSMEN OF PENNSYLVANIA.*

  • dw

    I own 400+ acres outside of Augusta Maine. I allow hunting on my property! I pay the taxes and I maintain the property! I enjoy one day a week when I can walk with my dogs and family without worry. If you allow hunting on Sunday I will post my property as “NO HUNTING”. (3 deer harvested thus far 2013.)

  • Harve Reworks

    It looks like a lot of you guys were right on the money.

  • Homer

    Is There an Environmentally Extreme Agenda Behind H.U.S.H?

    HUSH SUNDAY HUNTING LAWSUIT ALL ABOUT KILLING MORE DEER?

    Exactly who is HUSH (short for Hunters United for Sunday Hunting). That is the question everyone is asking. That is what we have explored and the results are not quite fitting in with hushes claims that this is all about the future of hunting, constitutionality etc. Many believe they are just politically driven environmentalists as opposed to the “hunter advocates” they would like legislators and others to believe.

    Lets take an in depth look at the 4 people who make up HUSH and their motives for doing so.

    First, we start with Kathy Davis, the groups founder. A known enviroextreme type, Kathy has pushed and lobbied for legislation and regulation that would lower the states deer herd for years. The causes she has championed pretty much mirror those suggested by the audubon deer forum for things “needed” to further reduce the deer herd. She has also many environmental connections, and has voted for further herd reductions on a citizen advisory committee where she took part, even though the Pa Game Commission had a set goal of stabilization. She was voted down by the majority of the other participants on the committee, and her initiative failed. She had also had an interest in obtaining a PGC commissioner seat for unit 2A, but her attempt was quashed by concerned sportsmen voicing concerns over the proposed nominee. Ms. Davis has also alienated several legislators with her percieved extremism and dogged determination when it comes to her misguided lobbying efforts. There are also multiple pgc commissioners that have also said they have “tuned her out” for the same reasons. Some members of one of the larger sportsmen groups in the state, apparently confused by so much percieved extremism, have actually inquired about her being an ANTI-hunter.

    Vern Ross, another of the hush members is, interestingly enough, the former executive director of the Pennsylvania Game Commission who was a driving force behind getting deer herd reduction into place. Vern will forever be looked back upon as one of the most controversial figures in Pa game management history for the role he played in forever changing Pa deer management under the Ridge administrations deer program.

    Don Heckman, a very active participant when it came to weighing in on game issues, has consistently voiced strong support for the deer management plan and reductions. Taking a very extreme stance on the issue for years. A very adament supporter of the Pa Game Commission deer plan, as were some of his close nwtf colleagues. Mr. Heckman has certainly done some good things for wild turkey management in the state, and that should not go ignored in this brief summary.

    Josh First. Mr. First has quite the lengthy list of environmentalist ties. He is also very active in the environmental arena, so much so, he was pointed to as being an environmental extremist by one of the states largest sportsmen groups who opposed his nomination when he tried to gain an appointment to the Pa game commissions board of commissioners. He has also worked at the Environmental Protection Agency, Dcnr (under Tom Ridge) is on the policy council of 10,000 friends of Pennsylvania and is coordinator for ‘Pa Habitat Alliance’ which is headed by the Audubon Society. His environmentalism resume is far too lengthy to list here, but much informtion is available online. Mr. First also made a failed attempt to gain the senatorial seat of Pa district 15 in 2012.

    Many believe that these people are nothing more than very willing pawns in the “deer wars” and it certainly looks that this may indeed be the case. Sunday hunting would go a long way towards being able to harvest more deer, and thereby further what some are calling an “environmentally extreme” agenda.

    It is our belief that the unsupportable deer herd reductions and resulting maleffects of extremely low hunter satisfaction and drop out is very damaging to our hunting heritage in Pennsylvania and it has gone on long enough.

    * THE IS A PUBLIC ALERT COURTESY OF THE CONCERNED SPORTSMEN OF PENNSYLVANIA.*

  • Rodney Crumpew

    Is There an Environmentally Extreme Agenda Behind H.U.S.H?

    HUSH SUNDAY HUNTING LAWSUIT ALL ABOUT KILLING MORE DEER?

    Exactly who is HUSH (short for Hunters United for Sunday Hunting). That is the question everyone is asking. That is what we have explored and the results are not quite fitting in with hushes claims that this is all about the future of hunting, constitutionality etc. Many believe they are just politically driven environmentalists as opposed to the “hunter advocates” they would like legislators and others to believe.

    Lets take an in depth look at the 4 people who make up HUSH and their motives for doing so.

    First, we start with Kathy Davis, the groups founder. A known enviroextreme type, Kathy has pushed and lobbied for legislation and regulation that would lower the states deer herd for years. The causes she has championed pretty much mirror those suggested by the audubon deer forum for things “needed” to further reduce the deer herd. She has also many environmental connections, and has voted for further herd reductions on a citizen advisory committee where she took part, even though the Pa Game Commission had a set goal of stabilization. She was voted down by the majority of the other participants on the committee, and her initiative failed. She had also had an interest in obtaining a PGC commissioner seat for unit 2A, but her attempt was quashed by concerned sportsmen voicing concerns over the proposed nominee. Ms. Davis has also alienated several legislators with her percieved extremism and dogged determination when it comes to her misguided lobbying efforts. There are also multiple pgc commissioners that have also said they have “tuned her out” for the same reasons. Some members of one of the larger sportsmen groups in the state, apparently confused by so much percieved extremism, have actually inquired about her being an ANTI-hunter.

    Vern Ross, another of the hush members is, interestingly enough, the former executive director of the Pennsylvania Game Commission who was a driving force behind getting deer herd reduction into place. Vern will forever be looked back upon as one of the most controversial figures in Pa game management history for the role he played in forever changing Pa deer management under the Ridge administrations deer program.

    Don Heckman, a very active participant when it came to weighing in on game issues, has consistently voiced strong support for the deer management plan and reductions. Taking a very extreme stance on the issue for years. A very adament supporter of the Pa Game Commission deer plan, as were some of his close nwtf colleagues. Mr. Heckman has certainly done some good things for wild turkey management in the state, and that should not go ignored in this brief summary.

    Josh First. Mr. First has quite the lengthy list of environmentalist ties. He is also very active in the environmental arena, so much so, he was pointed to as being an environmental extremist by one of the states largest sportsmen groups who opposed his nomination when he tried to gain an appointment to the Pa game commissions board of commissioners. He has also worked at the Environmental Protection Agency, Dcnr (under Tom Ridge) is on the policy council of 10,000 friends of Pennsylvania and is coordinator for ‘Pa Habitat Alliance’ which is headed by the Audubon Society. His environmentalism resume is far too lengthy to list here, but much informtion is available online. Mr. First also made a failed attempt to gain the senatorial seat of Pa district 15 in 2012.

    Many believe that these people are nothing more than very willing pawns in the “deer wars” and it certainly looks that this may indeed be the case. Sunday hunting would go a long way towards being able to harvest more deer, and thereby further what some are calling an “environmentally extreme” agenda.

    It is our belief that the unsupportable deer herd reductions and resulting maleffects of extremely low hunter satisfaction and drop out is very damaging to our hunting heritage in Pennsylvania and it has gone on long enough.

    * THE IS A PUBLIC ALERT COURTESY OF THE CONCERNED SPORTSMEN OF PENNSYLVANIA.*

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