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Anti-Hunters Petition; Melissa Bachman Cut from National Geographic Show

by Ben O'Brien   |  August 31st, 2012 405

If you’re a fan of The National Geographic Channel on Twitter you likely saw this message yesterday at 2:47 PM:

Fans, The National Geographic Channel has carefully considered the public discussion of our series on surviving the wilds of Alaska currently in production and premiering sometime next year. Upon further reflection we plan to eliminate one of the survivalists from the ensemble cast, Melissa Bachman. Hunting is not the focus of the show, and we regret the misinformation that has clouded what we hope will be an exciting adventure series set in the incredible Alaskan landscape.

What could drive Nat Geo to make an announcement about a single member of an ensemble cast of a TV show that hasn’t even aired? It’s easy: A movement has begun on the web to attack and defame Melissa Bachman and hunters everywhere.

At the core of the opposition to Bachman—a lifelong hunter who has found great success in recent years as a outdoor TV producer, writer, personality and advocate for women in the field—was a petition started on Change.org. The site, which lets anyone post and promote a petition for change, has been a haven for anti-hunting groups in the past. This time, though, the petition was to, “Stop the Melissa Bachman show from broadcasting!” Conservationist Tim Martell, 42, started the call to remove Bachman Thursday and wrote a note attached to the petition that read in part:

Melissa is a heartless trophy hunter who has killed hundreds of animals without purpose. National Geographic should distance themselves from her.

Please sign this petition today and let National Geographic know that we do not support trophy killing.  We will not watch the Nat Geo channel until they agree not to condone or support trophy killing by doing business with wildlife killer Melissa Bachman.

Nearly 14,000 people signed this petition.

Just as Bachman’s detractors are accusing her of celebrating death, these same “activists” are dolling out death threats and personal attacks by the hundreds in every single place her likeness or name resides on the Web.

Her blog on PetersensHunting.com has been flooded with the same messages in opposition to “trophy hunting.” Many cannot be reposted here, but here are a few examples:

A Facebook page entitled “National Georgraphic: NO to Melissa Bachman Series” has been one of the main drivers of this movement, posting links to all Bachman’s stories and sending commenters to her pages. The result is not only death threats, but the need to shut down some of her personal and professional social media efforts due to the vulgar attacks. They celebrated and gloated when Nat Geo made their announcement Thursday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you’ve been following this trend, you can’t be surprised by such a development. These same social media extremists started the Facebook page “Corey Cogdell Is Not Welcome In Africa,” in which some less-than-civil criticism was levied against Cogdell and similar death threats followed. They attacked the Trump Brothers in the media for a completely legal and ethical hunt in Africa. Martin—who cannot be connected to the extremist death threats—launched a Facebook campaign against Rosie O’Donnell in December of last year following pictures that surfaced of a hammerhead shark she caught during a fishing trip.

This opposition to “trophy hunting” seems to only be gaining strength, and Martin’s petition was closed and considered a victory in just over 24 hours. At this time, there has been no reaction from any pro-hunting organizations or media outlets.

There are an estimated 15.1 million hunters in this nation. According to the NRA, combined with fishing and trapping licenses and tax contributions, the sport’s total contribution for 2000 was over $3.7 billion. That has only risen as of late, as has the numbers of hunters in this nation according to a study conducted by the U.S. of Fish & Wildlife Service.

Melissa Bachman is a lifelong hunter who began hunting at an early age with her family. She graduated with honors and a double major in TV broadcasting and Spanish from St. Cloud State University, shortly after starting her career as a TV intern. Since then, her hunting prowess has been celebrated across the outdoor industry.

Chris Albert, Senior Vice President of Communications and Talent Relations for National Geographic, was reached earlier today and would not comment further than the earlier statement.

At press time, a message sent to the founder of the “National Georgraphic: NO to Melissa Bachman Series” was not returned.

  • Dyrewulf

    That SUCKS! I was monitoring one of her FaceBook posts a week or so ago and ended up reporting 30+ messages for threats and harassment, based on the nasty jackasses messages, that would be a full time job for 10-20 people. I would seriously think about filing charges against some of the ones that actively threaten death.

    • Susanne

      That's AWESOME!!!!! So she's allowed to kill and kill as much as she want but a few comments are bad ? your value system need to be reprogrammed! and she deserves it all. if you think you own nature and can kill because you know how to do it , the wheels of bad bad bad karma will get you too!

      • Dyrewulf

        A few comments such as "I disagree with your lifestyle/the hunting and killing of animals" are absolutely fine and everyone has a right to their opinion. "Die you #$!#% evil #$!#% I hope yer head is on a wall" is not, nor were death threats. If you think somebody who hunts deserves this kind of treatment, I assume you live in a natural field, eat only naturally gathered nuts and berries from non-threatened plants, and run around naked, so that no animals were harmed by your lifestyle.

        • Pınar

          It is again and again pointed out that as long as hunting serves basic human needs it is understandable. But I do not see any comment which explains how she makes use of her 'prays' and the whole point is that she kills just for fun and the thrill. Is it that hard to understand? This is not against the hunters who make good use of all the parts of the animals they hunt. This is against 'trophy hunters' who kill just for their ego and a 'nice' photograph. It is also quite biased to say all animal rights activists make death threats. It is just an attempt to undermine these people's point.

      • brad

        shut up susanne your words make no sense

      • OKtoHUNT

        Last time I checked, it was ILLEGAL to make death threats on another person. Also, last time I checked, it was LEGAL to HUNT and KILL for food and for the purposes governed by the state Wildlife Departments for which she hunts in.

        • Pat

          She does not hunt for food. She is a trophy hunter. She kills for fun. Considering her sadistic treatment of animals she should not be surprised that decent human beings would want to see her suffer the same fate

    • http://www.facebook.com/sean.dion.98 Sean Dion

      what else do you expect from these crazed leftist twerps. They like it when people that disagree with them die. It's been that way all throughout history.

  • Lou Menotti

    Here's a link the Tim Martell site and a place to to leave reviews on there experiences with him. Just in case anyone is interested. http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g34230
    http://www.manateeguides.com/

    http://www.tripadvisor.com/UserReviewEdit-g34230-

    • Tim Martell

      A screen shot has been taken of this for evidence and was forwarded. Instead of looking to engage in dialogue … are we looking to increase the intensity of the fight? I own the business, so you can't get me fired. My support base is way too large for you to shut me down and I know people that actually know the founder of Tripadvisor. Are you sure you want to go there? I can be a very dangerous person, but right now I am content to sit back and watch as the debate rages on. Get my point?

  • wolf

    this sucks that theses nut bags get away with this stuff time in time out i think Melissa is one of best female hunters out there that is why she getting this now i hate to say it i think she now know what it feels like to have the nut bags going after her like they have for many years gone after Ted Nuqent i think its time for the hunters to do the same thing they have done get a petition started for melissa saying we will not watch National Geographic ontill they change the way they bend to theses not bags

    • James

      Quite clearly your own mental state is highly questionable,wolf.It is people like yourself and your hero Melissa that give all hunters a bad name

      • wolf

        Did i say she was my hero no i did not Melissa is one best female hunters out there Melissa can fine the key to putting her self in right place in wood to yes put down big deer and othere game but when u want to learn things about hunting u go to the best u can fine to learn how its done right .dont u 2nd people have been saying so much about what she is doing but i have not seen one question to her asking her about what she did with what she has shot but right way its wrong becuse she has to take pic she has to do the videos to make her living becuse it is her job and her job is just that hunting showing people how to do it that why she maybe was going be on National Geographic becuse she could maybe showed u how to stay alive u have people saying she broke game laws with out looking into it they dont know what kind of tag she had the state has not came after her for one thing but right why people come aftter her with death threats and threating her job her way of life what does that say about people out there in this world and it all start with guy that makes money of people every day to take people into water to show them how something lives that should be left alone not have people around them but thats ok to make money of them but not one dime of that money gos back into them how is he helping any thing . people say killing this killing that but it dont mater if u eat meat or u eating a plaint u have pick it well U JUST KILLED IT

        • Pat

          First, you need to learn punctuation and grammar as your posts are virtually incomprehensible. Second, animal killers boycotting National Geographic will not work as you are a tiny minority of the human race.

    • https://www.facebook.com/yaeldownunder Yael Marom

      Please do so, all hunters must send a letter to National Geographic stating that they will refuse to watch their shows or subscribe to their magazine…..somehow I don't think that they will care since Nat-Geo is supposed to promote care and love for the environment including the creatures that Live in it. Trophy hunting is deplorable and to think you have any "ethical" right to do so is preposterous.

      • wolf

        Where to start hunters care for there environment and they do care about the game they hunt where do u think the money gos for there tags it go to the state to keep and get more land for them all state land has been payed for from hunters that buy tags we keep the numbers down so the game dont die off becuse there ant any food to keep the numbers hight why do think in some states u can get more then one tag becuse the number are way to hight need to be cut back i do not see one of u ant hunters yet putting any hours to help out the game or one dime to keep or get more state lands if u have never see what hunters do before every year to put in food keep up there land take out what needs to come out to feed there selfs and othere to give meat to food self to give meat to old hunting is just that hunting now most hunt fore meat some for horns and meat and then u have horn hunters now them we all can live with out but they are one that just kill for the horn but i have never see any one show yet that Melissa is just that a horn hunter she makes her living doing hunting shows never showing she hunt just for the horns and left meat lay there u dont know ontill then u should not go after some one for some thing u do not know so i will sand up say it wrong to do so ontill some show me that she is just a horn hunter have u or any one ask her what she has done with all the meat off them game she has killed no so ontill then dont call something it ant

        • Pat

          Well, she kills bears. Would like to know how much of them she ate. I expect none. She killed it just so she could have her photo taken with all her make up on and her hair just right. Probably got some perverts excited.

      • wolf

        might want to rethink what u said any magazine any tv show will care when they lose the bottom line that money and numbers with out them they go away think before u say a thing and ethical right yes hunting is ethical right and it needs to be done thats how the states keep the number down on game and every ag give the state more money to take care land and game i dont see one ant hunter putting one dime to help with any of the thing hunter do by going in and getting a tag u going after bass fishing next they take pics and show off what they do for living i geuss u dont under stand what take to take a book buck or how to do so thats why there so many tv shows showing u how to do so that help out people that need to get game to feed them self but right way u think there doing just for the horn and i bet u havent ask them what they do with the meat u just right way say it wrong to do so now if she was just killing for just the horn left meat lay i would be saying some thing on that but of yet u have not showed she is doing it people that are putting in on Melissa have not ask her what she has done with the meat u just say what u want with out looking into it that is just wrong she has set her path to only taking book or close to book game that take more work then most people want to put in on there jobs but that does not say she dont eat the meat or give away to food shelf shit some lady on here say it wrong to shot a gator in the head well that where u have to shot them to kill them fast and says she broke game law but i dont know about u but if she did do so dont u think the state where she did so would have came after her for it but yet again they have not but u say she has broke the game laws with out real truth what tag did she have where was she hunting was a game farm but like say u would rather go after her try hurt her anyway u can how would u like it if some came after u and made u lose your job and had people after u with out knowing the real truth ya i all ready know what u be saying my people been hunting this land way before any white man came along and no white man will ever take my god give right away from me

  • rabgirl

    you imply in your article that all who oppose melissa bachman and other "hunters" are all crazy folk dishing out death threats. you know damn well that it's a minority of your opposition who resort to such comments. myself, and thousands/millions(!) of others are quite capable of campaigning against you on a rational and reasoned basis.

    • Jenn

      this!

    • Lear35Pilot

      "rational and reasoned basis" – what a joke! Impose your will upon the business of someone like Melissa? Not a nice thing!!

    • RYANJT

      I BET NOT ANY OF YOU NUTS WOULD LIFT A FINGER TO HELP SOMEONE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD BUT WOULD SURELY HELP THEIR ANIMALS. O YES ANYONE WHO PUTS ANIMALS ON A PESTAL LIKE YOU NUTS ARE ALL CRAZY LOONS.

  • Sharlene

    My husband is a hunter — an ethical one — who does not TROPHY hunt but rather hunts to feed our family. I do not have any problem with people hunting to do the same but I do have a problem with people who trophy hunt. If someone can tell me with 100% certainty that Ms. Bachman used or donated ALL the proceeds of her hunts to people in need, I would not object. I think of hunting as a serious endeavor and she seems to trivialize it with her pretty in pink, pastel camo makeup and being photographed in silly Barbie Doll poses. It bothers me that you relate hunting in monetary terms, but I guess it is all about the money for you and a lot of other hunters and that is what gives your sport a bad name. Indiscriminate hunting is a black eye for you. Fans of NatGeo love nature and wildlife so it is not surprising that such an uproar occurred over her inclusion and resulted in exclusion from the show. I think what is missing are DIGNITY and ETHICS, neither of which Ms. Bachman demonstrates. Virtually blowing the head off of an alligator is nothing to be proud of, particularly since she broke at least one state law in her methodology REGARDLESS OF IT BEING ON PRIVATE LAND. All wildlife is protected, whether on private or public land. I totally disagree with the idiots threatening her – that is almost as ridiculous as her self-centered and self-promoting hunting practices.

    • killKILLkill!

      I love your post except for then end- why shouldnt people hunt hunters? Hunters obviously approve of hunting and will tell you animals kill animals so why cant we kill them? So its a double standard to say its wrong to hunt hunters. its simply called the shoe being on the other foot. No more hypocrisy, please.

      • Cazador Hunter

        Doesn't that make you a hunter?

        • killKILLkill!

          I guess a hunter-hunter

          • wolf

            so are u saying u are going to hunt down hunter and kill them

          • killKILLkill

            Obviously not. Im saying we should not take any of the ethical rationales for hunting made by hunters seriously, because at their core, hunters are hypocrites and therefore have no integrity. Anyone who thinks its ok to hunt but not ok to be hunted has a double standard.

          • Rural Teacher.

            How are hunters hypocrites? A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but does another. Ethical (NON TROPHY) hunters say that killing to feed their family is good. So they kill to feed their family.

            If you anti-hunt people think it is okay to kill her- then I damn well better see you eat every bite. Otherwise that would make YOU the hypocrite.

            For the record- I am not a hunter, but I teach in areas where my students would literally STARVE if they didn't hunt. I've seen kids whose parent's did not have a good season get smaller and smaller as the winter went on and they had less and less to eat. Broke my heart. So I'm sorry Bambi- as much as I love wild animals- I would much rather see Bambi on a plate than dead on the side of the road because the population exploaded and they were killed crossing a highway (possibly killing the motorist who hit them as well).

            Trophy hunters are deplorable, killing a beautiful and helpless animal just to take a picture, but ethical hunters are wonderful and amazing people.

            People who make death threats towards people they disagree with are the scum of the earth.

          • reallifeshocker

            Agree with your last sentence.

          • wolf

            So u are saying to hut the old deer that would give u the most meat is wrong what do u think a trophy is ? It is old wise deer that has made it years with out getting shot . Most trophy hunter have step up there hunting to only take old deer witch half the hunters could never do . But that don't mean they don't eat the meat or give it to food banks . They buy there tag they don't brake any laws hunting for a trophy . i bet you if the kids in your class won state there would be a picture taken to show they did it . same thing with getting a trophy animal. But to some it is there job to hunt and get it on TV they are that good at hunting they get paid to do so to show how to do it so that people can bring home more food for the table

          • RYANJT

            Another crazy nut.

          • Angel

            Yes, you really are

      • Come on

        Would you like my address you can stop by any time you want. If you want to "Hunt a Hunter" please fill free to stop by my house first.

        • killKILLkill!

          I'm afraid if I saw you I'd die laughing at how utterly stupid and ridiculous you are.

    • SimonV

      Well put, Sharlene.

    • wolf

      Sharlene do u know what tag she had in her hand for this hunt no u dont do u know if it was a game farm no u dont and game farm u dont need a tag to hunt on them have u seen anything in the news about the state going after her for braking any game laws no u dont ontill have u see the state come after her u should not say she is braking laws should u and cut her down for taking pic can u tell me what is her job is its to hunt and to show how to get close to game u would think by having hunting back ground u would know how hard it is to get old wise deer at 30 yards or less but by these show there showing people learn how to do it i would think u would get it yes hunting has gone to monetary terms just like every thing has but are u saying becuse some that hunt dont love nature and wildlife should not be on a wildlife show to show u how to stay alive if some thing happens to ya in the wild wouldnt think u would want some one that really know about the game then some one that thinks they know

      • Sharlene

        I am sorry, but I am having difficulty reading your post as you seem to be allergic to punctuation. And you is not spelled U. Please take a bit of time when you write these posts so that you do not appear uneducated and so hard to understand. Care to edit and resubmit? Then I will happily reply to your comments.

        • wolf

          Sharlene do u know what tags she had in her hand no you don't . Do you know if it was a game farm no you don't . and on game farms u don't even need a tag to hunt on them. Have you seen anything in the news about the state going after Melissa for braking any game laws no u don't so if state is not coming after her then why would you say she brakes game laws . you cut down her getting photographed can you tell me what her job is . it is to hunt and to be photographed and to be but on TV to show how to get close to game . you would think by having husband that hunts u would get it . And would know how hard it is to get with in 30 yard of old wise deer . That is way the TV show are out there to show people it can be done. Learn how to do from theses shows . Yes hunting has gone monetary like every thing has . But are you saying hunters don't love nature and wildlife and should not be on wildlife show that is about staying alive if some thing happens to you in the wild . Would you want some one that really know how to then some that thinks they know . they hand pick her for it And for shooting the gator in the head well that where u shoot them to kill them fast . You might want look that up before saying something like that

          • Pat

            By game farms I assume you mean canned hunting where a tame animal is enclosed in a small area so the "brave" hunter, armed with guns and bows, can kill the totally defenceless animal, and have her/his photo taken with a foot on the carcass? Certainly I am impressed – with the total cowardice of this pathetic, inadequate scum.

          • wolf

            You should never assume any thing . becuse that not what i was talking about

    • http://www.facebook.com/sean.dion.98 Sean Dion

      There is no ethical difference. At the end of the day your alive and the animal is dead.

    • Ron

      Whatever,Sharlene
      I am a trophy hunter,why? so there will be more food for your family, and by the way you husband is a sport hunter. Why do I say this? because all hunters know that is is cheaper to go to the store and buy food than it is to shoot it. Go ahead and add it up, gun,bow,ammo,arrows,tags,food to go hunting,gas to go hunting etc…. get off your high horse we are all hunters, we need to stick together, so long it is all done legal way, the anti's are out to get us all, and if we want to survive lets not split the pie any smaller.

  • Laura

    The posts given as examples of death threats ARE NOT from the National Geographic: NO to Melissa Bachman Series facebook page

    • MMM

      Yes the are I have read them. Their cause has nothing civil behind it.

  • Terrialan

    I don't think people get the point, who is she or anyone of her ilk to kill anything, who gave these type of people this power!

    • Dyrewulf

      See my point above about 'do you live in a natural field and eat only nuts and berries,' this is a far more natural lifestyle than living on the 20th floor in the middle of a city and threatening people with death over a point of view.

      • rabgirl

        you're talking nonsense. i oppose pointless-killing-for-the-sake-of-killing hunting. i eat meat, i grow my own veg, i grew up on a farm…trophy hunting is senseless. and stop with the death threat crap. can't any of you come up with a justifiable 'excuse' for what you do/support?

        • wolf

          ok i will bake it down for ya u go to the store buy 50 pounds of beef that u get out of deer tell me what u spend ill tell ya right now my tag is way less some people need to hunt game to feed them self its like farm life u do not take sell young cow u look to sell the one that needs to go big older cow more money u get well in the wild u look for the older big game so u pring back more meat but most hunters cant do this so they shoot what comes there way they have to but meat on the table so what u call trophy hunting i call smart as long as u are eating the meat or giving away to food self or any where they feed people with it and see thats why it on tv to show u should take out the older and does to keep numbers down just like u do on farm when cost u to much to keep all cows or otheres u sell them off get your numbers right so u can keep making money it gos hand in hand i get to eat good and i keep the numbers down on my land so i dont have died deer laying around that couldnt fine food to eat over the winter so i am doing my part to keep my deer alive and growing every year like beef farm does year in year out

        • Todd

          If you eat meat you have no argument. If you hire somebody to kill somebody you are just as guilty of murder as the assasin himeself.

    • Shaun

      Terrialan – GOD gave us the power to hunt and eat all the animals of the world. It is my right and I will continue to do so. Shame on all of you for taking your misguided anger out on Melissa. Just because she is on TV doesn't mean she doesn't use the animals she kills. And what does the fact that she is a "hunter" have to do with another meaningless reality TV show anyway?

    • Bob

      GOD!!

    • Texastreker

      GOD did you idiot. How do you think the caveman put food on the table. They did'nt run down to the piggly wiggly and pick up some pork chops. Without hunters our wildlife population would starve to death in in your very own front yard but I guess you think that is more humane.WISE UP STUPID!

    • https://www.facebook.com/dennis.black.186 Dennis Black

      Oliver Winchester.

      What gives you the right to tear living things from the ground.

  • LoneWolf

    PEOPLE WHO HUNT/KILL ANIMALS FOR SPORT ARE DISGUSTING…the end. The world would be better without your actions, esp. for the animals sake. It's prehistoric and outdated to be hunting in the 21st century….our planet is in enough risk without humans killing everything they see. Take a class on compassion…you people (hunters) need it!

    • wolf

      people like u where it all starts u dont get it never will u need to take some classes and i will give u this one for fee the hunter in this country put out more money in year to keep all them animals alive heathy by hunting them keeping there numbers down they ant dieing from no food and so
      u ant hitting them with bmw every day and the hunter then dont have to pay a store to kill that cow or any othere meat u eat or for u plant eaters if u pick it u killed it so jump off your high horse think before u open it

      • James

        It is unbelievable how full of rubbish you are. No doubt you are another thrill killer with one hand grabbing their gun and the other their private parts
        Go read a book and learn how to spell before you attempt to give someone else a lesson

        • SimonV

          That reminds me; in the video where MB kills a bear, she is practically orgasmic when she sees the blood flow.
          It was posted here:
          http://www.petersenshunting.com/2011/06/22/bow-sh
          but:
          "THE VIDEO YOU ARE TRYING TO WATCH IS CURRENTLY UNAVAILABLE"
          Wonder why?

          • Ron

            I, myself love "orgasmic" hunts

      • MikeyV

        Wolf, where do I start…

        "I" is always capitalized. You press shift on the keyboard to get an upper case I.
        There is such a thing as punctuation, please give it a try.

        From the looks of your writing, and it's content, I'm sure that you are a no-good, backwoods, methed-out, unemployed, uneducated mouth-breather. Please stop posting, for everyone's sake.

        • wolf

          For one my people where here before any white man . two my dad allways said white man allway think they know every thing by what they see but there bats they cant see shit in light of day they can only use they mouth fast not use there brain try run them down by using words sorry to tell ya i have job and this native dont care what u say becuse u dont get never will u will never take my rights away from me

          • Pat

            Umm…Melissa Bachmann (and virtually all trophy hunters) are white. Sad, lonely, inadequate people. Playing at being hunters because it is the only way they can get any self-validation

          • Ron

            Did we pay for your spelling class?.

      • Pat

        Err..so these hunters pay money to keep the animals alive so they can kill them to keep their numbers down? I guess there's a kind of logic there, though not one recognized by anyone with an IQ more than 50

        • Brad

          You are an idiot. Please never speak again on the matter. There is logic to that. Hunters keep the deer population down as well as other big game animals. If hunters were not around to do so then guess what they would be over populated and die from starvation or on the hood of your Prius. They pay all kinds of fees that go to wildlife and environmental conservation efforts. Many hunters often donate to conservation efforts as well. Hunters actually keep the wildlife population to a manageable number. Oh and they eat the meat that they harvest, God forbid. Then they don't have to buy all the beef or pork or disgusting chicken that you do. Oh and hunters like her that are able to go harvest more meat than they can eat on their own donate it to food banks. Another point…damn wouldn't want people down on their luck to be fed would we. Please shut the hell up.

          • Cazador

            Brad, I couldn't have said it better. However, I am afraid your words will fall on deaf ears. These so called animal rights people, are lonely souls. I bet most can't engage another human being in a healthy discussion about anything. They are too self-centered, and self-righteous. People who despise hunters aren't interested in facts. Their "facts" are composed of visceral manifestation. You see, they are smarter than we are, or so they think. I would tell them to get a life. But alas, they have no life. Therefore, they feel it incumbent to forced their pathetic selves into the lives of people who have happiness. To get to the core of their real psychopathologies, would take the likes of a Sigmund Freud. Even the great Dr. Freud would probably end up pulling out the rest of his hair after spending fifteen seconds with one of these pseudo humans!

    • mari

      right on!

    • mari

      yes!

      • mari

        ^*****those comments were meant for LoneWolf cooment
        *****

    • Mike375

      LoneWolf and Rabgirl, a couple of questions:
      1 How do you define trophy/sport hunting?
      2. Do you know any trophy hunters per your definition? other than what you have "heard" about by such "trusted" sources and PETA and HSUS.

      I am going to take a wild guess here, but I am guessing I know hundreds of sport hunters, and have interacted with thousands in 25 years of hunting around the world and I don't know a single one who kills simply for thrills or wastes the meat…this is a made up smear job foistered by anti-hunting groups spewing hate of things they really don't understand.

      Lone Wolf – you said "our planent is in enough risk without humans killing everything they see." and I would agree that our planet and our wildlife face many challenges, but sport hunters are not one of them. Let me give you a very real example.

      I have spent a lot of time in Africa, in 7 different African countries to be exact. In the countries with well established, well regulated sport huntng programs, wildlife of all varieties are thriving. You see, a tiny amount of mature, old animals are taken by "evil" sport hunters (not nearly enough to harm the population), the meat is used by the locals and the money employees game warders to protect the remaining wildlife as well as set aside natural areas for wildlife.

      In countries where they decided to "save" the wildlife from hunters, non- hunters/tourists/photographers/nature lovers don't bring in nearly enough money to provide for game warders or land. The local "meat/subsistence" hunters (whom you all think are so wonderful) poach everything from a duiker to an elephant (eat what they can. take the rest to a village and sell it) and then build shacks or gardens on every plot of available land.

      Think what you want about Sport Hunters, but the facts are clear— in Africa where there is vibrant well regualted sport hunting, there are tons of wild places and lots of game. In African countries where they have no sport hunting much of the country is a baren wasteland without animals outside of the few national parks.

      • Rabbit Hunter

        LOve it Mike 375- give them real facts backed up by real experience and they seem to go away…hmmm weird Rabgirl and Lone Wolf…where are you????

      • Pat

        Mike, sorry to burst your bubble. Facts:The lion population in Africa has been reduced from more than 200,000 to 20,000 in 20 years. Most of this is due to trophy hunting, mainly by Americans (about 75%). Botswana is the only African country with a healthy wild lion population and they are under enormous pressure from American hunting organizations to "sell off" their lions to sports hunters. In the rest of Africa sports hunters kill in canned hunts on ranches where animals, including lions are bred to be killed for fun. After killing the helpless animals with no risk whatever to the "hunter" the carcasses are dragged away from the enclosing fences so the tourists can have their photos taken and make it look like they stalked and killed the animal in the wild. Ethical eh? Oh, and people don't eat lions. They are carnivores and the meat is not palatable to humans. So don't pull the "feeding the locals" card.

        • Mike375

          Pat – you're not bursting my bubble, I have stated elsewhere on this forumn that there is a tiny percent of folks calling themselves trophy or sport hunters who are completely without ethics and scruples—but they make up less than 1/100 percent of the rest of sport hunters,and you're right on the canned lion hunts – do exist and go down about as you describe…horrible on many levels, but this is a tiny, tiny glimpse of the overall African sport hunting scene. As for lions in the wild and their subsequent overall population they are in decline, but not becuase of sport hunting as you would have people believe but through an exploding native population – the overal population of Africa has gone through the roof (you can thank forgeign medical aid and religious groups for much of it…so if you want to blame someone for the lions demise start there) and lots of people and lions, cattle, goats and sheep don't co mimngle too well.

          So when a lion kills a cow that is worth maybe 400 bucks he gets hunted down and shot, (not by sport hunters mind you, but locals and ranchers)—its a horrible waste of a life for not much money….anti-hunters say, "this is bad and it should be stopped." but you and I both know it will never be stopped. As long as there are hungry natives trying to keep livestock, they will always kill maurading lions…now hunters realize this and say "it is horrible to kill a lion over a $400 cow, how about you let me come hunt the animal, pay you $50,000 for the priveledge, with this money the government can buy land to set aside just for wildlife where it won't interfere with local communities." Neither system is flawless, but one clearly makes more sense doesn't it?

          BTW – I was at a sport show several years ago and was offered a lion hunt for practically free, when I asked some questions and realized it was of the canned variety as you describe I of course turned it down…as did every friend with me…believe it or not, but the vast majority of hunters hold themself to a high level of ethics. As another aside, I have ate mountain lion and leopard and both were excellent, both obviously predators. It is a moot point for me to make as you're also right— most lion hunters aren't eating a lion, but my guess is they would be fine.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sean.dion.98 Sean Dion

      LOL how come people always use the argument "in the 21st century" to discredit anything they don't like. Humanity hasn't progressed an inch.

    • guide504

      yes i totally agree we now have developed efficient ways of factory farming and mechanically recovering meat products so to actually go out doors and be distracted from ones computer is totally unnecessary these days.

  • LoCo

    Trophy hunt morons not getting much sympathy then? Aww diddums!

  • Susanne

    If you have no relationship with the living things on this earth,
    you may lose whatever relationship you have with humanity. ~J. Krishnamurti

  • Laura

    The vast majority of anti-hunters do not post threats or profanities, yet you chose to highlight and pick out posts of those who do. That is clearly the only leg your camp has to stand on in order to discredit the cause. Your article is inaccurate, as the threatening posts shown are not facebook posts, and even so, were never condoned or encouraged by the creator of the facebook page. In FACT there are numerous posts by the page NOT to use profanity or threatening language, stating that it will be removed and possible banning. But to expect objective reporting from a hunting page is a bit of a tall order I guess.

    • phil

      Hi laura. I wish you would have included you last name in order to give you full credit where credit is due
      I shot a very respectable buck this morning with my Fred Bear bow. Tomorrow I will donate the meat to hunters feeding the hungry. I am doing this in you name. It shall read except this gift of love to my fellow man from all anti-hunters like me. Yours truely Laura. Every kill i make during legal and ethical hunting a portion of the life sustaining meat will be donated in the name of an anti-hunter like yourself.

      • Laura

        Oh, Phil! I shall be having sleepless nights! I wish you would have posted your full name so that I could get all the antis to contact you to thank you, because we are, in fact, NOT anti hunting (especially ethical hunting) but anti TROPHY hunting, and ILLEGAL and unethical hunting, all of which Ms Bachman participates in. So thank you for thinking of us in your quest to feed the hungry. KIssKiss.

  • Rake

    :) why are you whining about death threats if thats what you do?! Promote blood sickness and savage behaviours and thats what you get!!! EXTREMELY HAPPY SHE WONT BE ON THE SHOW!!!!

    • wolf

      Rake where do u get your meat to eat u do know u paid some to kill it for u so u wouldnt get your hands full or blood where did u get plaints to eat well u paid some one kill it for u again so dont come here say savage behaviours bucuse u best look at yourself to every living thing kills something to eat some just do it for them self not pay some one to kill for them and thats the bottom line

  • Sadie McAdam

    I applaud Nat Geo! A corporation with a conscience and concern for the ethical treatment of animals. I hope they stand by their decision, it was the right decision to make. @Terrialan, people have the power. Nobody gives it to us. No one can take it away.

    Be sure to sign the Corey Cogdell petition if you haven't already!

  • julilly

    The page is about National Geographic not sullying their reputation with the likes of a thrill killer. It isn't about Melissa necessarily. We just don't want our subscriptions and support of NG, going to any animal thrill killer. I am happy they will not allow her on the show. But, death threats to her are unacceptable. Do not ruin what we are trying to do here by going nuts on Melissa. This is about NG's poor choice, not Melissa's life choices albeit despicable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/toni.albanese.7 Toni Albanese

    We are The Voice for the Voiceless….We will NEVER be silent <3 Thank you National Geographic for coming to your senses and listening to the opposition….

    • gramcracka

      You are an absurd clown.If it were'nt for hunters and gatherers we would not exist.

  • American

    Animals should only be killed during self-defense or when needed for sustenance. Killing an animal and not using all the consumable meet for sustenance is immoral, universally condemnable and bad karma. I support hunters that eat ALL of their kills. Anything other than that is just selfish disgusting and life-long bad karma. The propaganda some use about “needing to kill some animals because there are to many"- is just BS. Nature has been self-regulating long before humans raped the land. Its an unquestionable fact that humans are on a fast-track to wiping-out all the animals on the planet. While I support guns and hunting for food- I call BS on disgusting immoral trophy/recreational killing.

    • OKtoHUNT

      Please be civil when I ask what do you consider trophy hunting? I hold out for a big nuck when I know one is present, but I've always used every bit of it for food. I'm trying to understand the exact issue here.

  • StopTheHarassment

    The sad fact is, that the anti-hunting extremists, knowing full well that they will gain no traction within their own core by only debating the issues they disagree with, have decided to focus on people who hunt, instead of the issue of hunting, thereby creating a target for their hatred in the form of an individual.

    This has happened to U.S. Olympian, Corey Cogdell, via such Facebook groups as:

    Corey Cogdell Please Stop Killing Animals For Sport: https://www.facebook.com/groups/154000431390849/ (created by John Ehrenfeld: https://www.facebook.com/johnehrenfeld125)

    Corey Cogdell Is Not Welcome In Africa: https://www.facebook.com/CoreyCogdellIsNotWelcome

    And now with Melissa Bachman with groups such as:

    National Geographic: NO to Melissa Bachman Series: https://www.facebook.com/pages/National-Geographi

    It should be noted that the aforementioned groups were also involved in the campaign against Ms. Bachman.

    Mr. Ehrenfeld's group has a set of rules, one which specifically requests that the group members "Focus on issues and not personalities". However, on a daily basis, the group members seek out and post web sites, Facebook profiles, Facebook pages and Twitter feeds belonging to people that hunt. Some of these individuals are well known and some are just your average citizen. But, the fact is, Mr. Ehrenfeld and his peers are set on damaging the lives and careers of anyone who actively participates in a lifestyle that they disagree with. And, it's encouraged, by not removing posts associated with someone's profile or intellectual property, thereby focussing on personalities and not issues.

    The same behaviour occurs in the other groups and the language regarding hunters' Facebook profiles, pages and photographs is deplorable. But, the same people who would call a female hunter a 'skank', will preach compassion for all living things with their next keystroke.

    Melissa Bachman has removed her Facebook page and her Twitter feed by her own personal choice, to escape the harassment of the anti-hunting extremists. That's what it is. It's harassment. Nothing productive is coming from it, either. So, she was removed from the cast on a show being produced by National Geographic. That effects the individual, Melissa Bachman, and not the issue the extremists disagree with. Based on all the comments on the aforementioned pages regarding Ms. Bachman being eliminated from the program, it is obvious that the extremists take great pride in being 'keyboard commandos', when their time could be better spent making habitat a better place for the animals they claim to care so deeply about. But, forget about volunteering to create a wetland for waterfowl, or walking a public forest picking up trash, or participating in a release of native wildlife decimated by the mistakes of the past. After all, it's easier to pound on the keyboard and attempt to destroy the lives of individuals who have broken no laws.

    I hope that any individual who has been harassed by these individuals will take any and all legal avenues against them as the harassment of specific people who have done nothing wrong must stop. Cordial conversation is acceptable and disagreements do happen, as everyone has different opinions, but, the extremists going out of their way to damage the lives of their targets is unacceptable behaviour.

    • Lowcountryhunter

      Bravo!!!

    • https://www.facebook.com/retha.burger1 Retha Burger

      Your argument unfortunately does not make much sense as, no matter how you word it, this woman is someone who kills for fun. She enjoys it and brags about it. That is not average at all and most humans would not be able to do it. So – how come you and NatGeo are so surprised???
      Secondly – who are you to assume that the people who are upset and unsettled about many things about this, do NOT volunteer or clean up beaches or do much for nature and its preservation? Do you really think that you are dealing with pen pushers only? Another nonsensical argument, then.

      • Ben_OBrien

        Retha,

        First, provide me some evidence that Melissa simply kills for fun. More than circumstantial evidence, this time please. Here's a fact: HUNTING IS FUN, but we know that this is not the essence of why we hunt. We chase trophies, but those are mature animals, ready to be taken from the herd and chosen with the interest of the wild game populations at large in mind. in fact, many wildlife biologists would tell you management through hunting is essential to maintain a proper balance among most species and their habitat.

        We hunt to feed the hungry, to feed our families, to keep wild game populations in check, to contribute to local economies, to educate our children and to maintain our bonds with our ancestors–that's just a start. Bottom line: Hunting is the greatest generator of wildlife conservation.

        I will repeat this chorus until I'm blue in the face. If you are going to be opposed to something so much that you feel the need to attack a person, you need to have more facts and real evidence that she is what you say she is, not just a few pictures and quotes that you interpret how you'd like.

        • Pat

          Absolute nonsense. The animals Melissa Bachman specialises in killing are endangered species. This is what makes it so much fun for her and those who share her perversion. The thrill of maybe killing the last member of a species in that area. This is what TROPHY HUNTING means. They want the biggest and best of the species on their wall as they are otherwise pathetic nobodies. Who eats bear and lion meat? I am sick of this arguement that hunting "conserves" animals. If animals and their environment were left alone they would conserve themselves as they did for millions of years before humans evolved to wipe them out.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

      Your post is laughable. I maintain a civil tone during my discussions about hunting, and frequently receive posts and messages that are threatening and obscene. Here is my most recent

      'Hey, we don’t want ****s like you from your ******e country either – so go ***k yourself, d******d………'

      If you think you and your ilk have the moral high ground, you are dreaming.

      • OKtoHUNT

        You words and your followers are meaningless. Have you even taken the time to watch what goes on in the wild. Have you ever seen a cat kill for fun? They are a PREDATOR just like humans. Do you put the same emphasis on demonizing the cat, or the dog that kills a fawn because it is easier than killing the mother doe. I take joy in knowing that there are so many people out there that I won't have to compete against when it comes time to harvest my FOOD this deer season. Thanks!!

    • Joe Morgan

      It's kind a disappointing that you entirely missed out on the word 'TERRORIST' cause that's also usual from someone who fight for the weak and voiceless in our society…

      I don't really have the big issue with hunting for food only… I don't like it and I will never understand those who chose to do so… But what I do have issues with, is the celebration of gore and death… The gloating galleries and pictures… the videos of dying animals spiced up with cheering and 'high fives'… the vile and depraved comments on the mandatory death porn pictures, where the hunters smiles alongside death… Simply the LACK of ANY respect towards the animals…

      Trophy hunting, like I described above, which sadly is VERY common is sick and you don't have to be any way NEAR of being an extremist to see that… Melissa Bachman's pictures tell stories beyond a thousand words – and THAT made the outcome of this whole affair…
      She and her likes are ruining hunting for those who hunt ONLY to feed themselves and their families… Sadly there obviously not many that only do that anymore.. Now it's all about bragging, photo's, videos shared far and wide all over the Internet… 'nice shot' or 'Nice buck'… nerrr… And then you get pissed off when the pictures from your PUBLIC galleries end up being SHARED elsewhere… We don't want our children or anyone else to see your depravity, so make your death galleries private for your friends only or simply try not to look for fame from being a 'bad a** killer'… which in any case, anyone could do if they wanted… Killing is easy… saving a life.. now there's something to be proud of…

      • LoCo

        Well said!

  • MikeyV

    Harassment? Like when her broad-tip "harasses" the internal organs of a doe?

    Is that what you mean?

    Legal avenues? She broke every law on the book shooting that gator…yeah, let's take legal action.

    Thank you for your intelligent post.

    • https://www.facebook.com/retha.burger1 Retha Burger

      I agree. Very 'intelligent'. :) :)

      • mike

        Don't you feel real hurt when you are called an extremist by those that are the real extremists? The wildlife killing extremists sure do have a lot of nerve to call those that actually care about wildlife "extremists".

        • Ridge Climber

          I love how cocky those who oppose hunting try to make themselves sound. Whether you actively kill the animal or let the meat processing plant do it, the fact is that our existence as human beings has and always will depend on taking of life be it an elk or carrots. Just because a person chooses to hunt for sport doesn't mean that its a pleasure kill or that the animals body lies in a field to rot. Elephant meat has fed many African villages and plenty of Deer venison has kept struggling families from starving. It's funny one would think that at least a few people would have noticed that on their humanitarian trips to the dark continent.

  • wolf

    like how people are talking about how she broke laws on a gator hunt but i do not see in any state where she has hunted gator dnr has nothing to say about this there no court report no ticket in any of them states on her kinda like to know where u coming up with this

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.liddell1 Shane Liddell

      Wolf, I quote this from this very same website – Petersen Hunting covering Melissa Bachmans aligator hunting endevours

      "This is my third year hunting South Carolina for gators and one of the reasons I enjoy it so much is because of the quality of the gators and the great guys I hunt with. They truly have some monsters around and my first year out in South Carolina I was lucky enough to take a huge 11’1’’ gator with my bow. Last year I had a close encounter with the biggest gator I have ever seen and he still lives in my dreams to this day! After waiting an entire year the time had finally come to head back to the swamp! My goal was to try calling gators during the day and hopefully shoot one with the rifle from shore. My wish was partially granted on day 2 and I was able to shoot a beautiful 10’1’’ gator with my T/C Encore .300 Win. Mag. As much as I was hoping to call the gator right onto shore, I decided against it when we spotted this giant only 50-yards from the edge of the swamp.

      Read more: http://www.petersenshunting.com/2011/09/30/video-

      • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

        Good to know that National Geographic was going to feature a woman who breaks the law when she goes hunting. Then again, when you scratch the surface, most famous big game hunters do.

      • wolf

        ok i see what u are saying but like i am saying with all that has being said about this gator hunt she did south carolina has not yet came after her for it no ticket no court nothing and they did not say what kinds tag she had and does not say if its is a game farm dont u think funny that south carolina has not done one thing if she was braking a game law

      • wolf

        ok i see what u are saying but like i am saying with all that has being said about this gator hunt she did south carolina has not yet came after her for it no ticket no court nothing and they did not say what kinds tag she had and does not say if its is a game farm dont u think funny that south carolina has not done one thing if she was braking a game law

      • Ben

        Please read my follow up post in that article. The DNR official with whom I spoke specifically said it was NOT illegal.

  • http://www.facebook.com/shane.liddell1 Shane Liddell

    Any of you pro Bachman people heard the Tara Andvik story? Google it and you'll see what extremes your kind get up to to protect their so called "sport" She created fake profiles on Facebook, attacked herself on her pwn page, set fire to her own house several times and then tried to blame it on Anti Hunters. When this didn't work she then attempted to blame her ex lover with whom she'd had an afair whilst married. After trial she was found guilty of Arson and is now serving 4 your in jail and when released 20 yrs supervision order. She went from fame to a nobody very quickly but her true colours were exposed for all to see.

  • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

    Hurray. This disgusting woman had NO business being on any show about nature. She kills for pleasure and for bragging rights, exactly the kind of ignorant behavior that has threatened so many species. It's bizarre…National Geographic shoots a documentary that shows big game hunting is the single biggest threat to lions in Africa, and then features this idiot on a show knowing full well she's just the kind of ignoramus who would shoot one, given a chance.

    • notahunter

      Shut up what do u know about wild life?

  • Ben_OBrien

    Fact is, this anti-hunting movement is not civil. Whether you admit it or not, the people that surround your movement and land on our site from it, do not argue in a manor that any respectful human being can promote.

    How can you condone hundreds of people calling Melissa names, degrading her as a person and threatening her repeatedly? How does that help your movement or give credibility to what you are trying to accomplish?

    You also celebrated a Twitter post in which Steve Wilson mocked Melissa and laughed at what is a serious matter. From the outside looking in, you have to admit, your anti-hunting group can, using context, be labeled extremist. Radicals either started this trend or they have co-opted it.

    Melissa is a fellow human, a hard working American. You can disagree with her and campaign against what she does, that is your right. But, please, implore your fellow members to do it in a manor that we can respect and shun those who name call and threaten.

    • Mike

      I've had my life threatened by numerous hunters and you people have nerve to call those that actually care about wildlife "extremists".

      • dylan_polk

        We've seen a couple of death threats on Paul Ryan's life on similar pages that also attacked Melissa. If threatening a government official's life isn't extreme, please tell us what is.

  • Trophyfoodhunter

    The ignorance level of people is amazing. most seem to think trophy hunting and hunting for food are mutually exclusive terms. They are not. In the vast majority of cases those who hunt for sport utilize or donate the meat, but the sustenance is not wasted. Trophy hunters love to hunt period. It is not a blood lust thing, it is a love of the quest. It's not a love of the kill as you often go home empty handed about 10 times more frequently than meat hunters….but this is wasted on people who have never hunted for food or for adventure.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.liddell1 Shane Liddell

      I see more bullcaca here. You also seem ignorant to the real facts about Trophy Huning and I suppose you base your comment on the hunting that goes on in your backyard as most American hunters do. Let me remind you – there is a whole wide world out there and hunting does take place there too. Google "Canned Hunting" and learn something before exposing how little you know about the subject!

      • Trophyfood hunter

        Shane, I have hunted all over the world, over five continents, 25 countries, 38 states and every canadain province, so I think I am probably a bit better informed about the truth of hunting, both pure native subsistence hunitng and sport hunting than someone who "googles" something. I am not denying that canned hunts exist…they do, and there are self proclaimed "trophy hunters" who pay to simply kill something, but I am here to tell you (believe it or not, I really don't care) that these folks represent about 1/100 percent of sport/trophy hunters. Sport hunters I know and have shared camps with lots of them, are very concerned about conservation, utlization of the meat in cases where they can't bring it home (outside of North America it is not possible to bring home meat) and fair chase. This type of person is pumping millions into local economies, much of which goes directly to conservation of wildlife, procurement of wildlife habitat as well as providing food for many people.

        (this is the part where you are supposed to say they just spend money so they can kill more things) -— once again very untrue, I have personaly watched trophy hunters donate amazing sums for wildlife habitat projects around the world, where they will never get a chance to hunt, simply because it is the right thing to do for wildlife…I have never seen where anti hunters have spent much of their own hard-earned money doing anything for the wildlife they proclaim to love.

        • killKILLkill!

          WHY do you need to go to five continents to find food??? This is the proof that hunting is a vanity hobby- OH LOOK HOW FAR AND WIDE I'VE TRAVELED. IM SOOOOO SPECIAL. So obvious to everyone but you.

        • Pat

          What does bear taste like? ever eaten a whole one? Or do you just sell the gallbladder to Asian businessmen and have the skin stuffed so you can display it to prove your virility? (Not being able to prove it any other way.) Seriously – you kill animals in cruel, disgusting and cowardly ways and ask us to respect you? Noooo!

          • Mike375

            Pat, Bear actually tastes very good. Never have sold a gall bladder, nor have any hunters I know, as it is illegal and extremely unethical. In fact every bear hunter I know punctures the gall bladder and throws it into the woods just to prevent it going to the asians and furthering the demand.

            People who shoot bears for gall bladders are poachers and law breakers, not hunters. You should really get to know the difference. I do save the skin, not to prove anything to anyone, but because it reminds me of a great place, and great expericne and besides what should you do with it…leave it in the woods to rot and go to waste? not quite following your logic here.

            Also not following your assumptions of cruel, disgusting or cowardly comments…every hunter I knows tries their hardest to kill any animal very swiftly in the least cruel manner possible – and no hunter I know has ever asked "anti" hunters to respect us, most could give a hoot how antis feel and at the very least feel sorry for their ignorant understanding of wild things and wild places….

          • Eating well

            Bear backstraps taste like a super tender beef steaks. The rest of the bear makes awesome chili or tacos. The hide makes a good blanket or wall mount. My dogs eat all the scraps I'm not willing to and are the healthiest dogs around. Never left anything in the woods but a gut pile. Now that's conservation!

    • Sharlene

      A love of the quest? If that were true, then they could do the same with a camera.

      • mike375

        Sharlene, actually you can't experience hunting through a camera, though there are some similiarities. It is the difference between being a spectator and being a participant, it is something you will never understand and something I won't ever be able to explain to you uless you do it yourself.

        I have done African photo safaris and African hunting safaris, I have taken wildlife photos in yellowstone and hunted elk in the rockies, I have hunted brown bears on the Alaskan penninsula and have shot photos of brown bears at Brooks falls (where you see all the famous photos of brown bears catching salmon) and the experinces are so different from eachother they can't be compared. One is getting a tiny glimpse into a pretty artifical psuedo wild place and the other is truely being in a wild place doing something nature intended and programed us to do…

  • https://www.facebook.com/sarah.webber.18 Sarah Webber

    I think this article is infammatory on the grounds that the people who left threats were a minority; most of the people who put their names to the petition or left comments were merely expressing teir legitimate opinions. I don't think this article is objective at all.

  • Ben_OBrien

    Did I ever say that no hunter has ever done anything wrong? Read again. I am simply talking about YOUR movement. That is the issue here, as this movement is the reason this conversation has started in earnest. The only defense you have is "they do it, so we can do it too."

    I support real hunters that do it the right way. I support people that hunt for the reasons I hunt. I will call out any hunter that levels a death threat or name calls. I don't want it on either side. I don't pretend to have all the facts. Nor should you.

    As long as you deflect these issues and change the conversation, we will never solve the problem here…civility has been lost and cowards that call names and level death threats are the loudest voices that can be heard. This is the issue we should be tackling. Any person who takes this argument to extremes should be called down and cast out by hunters and anti-hunters alike.

    We need to bring back commonsense and reason here.

    • http://www.facebook.com/shane.liddell1 Shane Liddell

      No deflection at all Ben as my response was directly relalted to you one sided splurge.. Just stating the Facts. However, had you said what you have just said in the first place that would have made a lot more sense.Agree with you for the most part in your lates post though.

    • Hunter18

      I agree with Ben, I am a hunter and I am proud of that. I am also a conservationist who help these animals thrive and not get overpopulated which could result in the spread of disease. What some people don't stop to realize is that hunters actually save people money. I am sure everyone knows someone who has hit a deer with their vehicle. Now stop and think of how many more people would have these accidents if their was no hunters. We are a brotherhood who stand tall for our rights and we do not stoop to the level of name calling……We know that people do not like us at times……But I will continue to hunt and teach my kids about nature and enjoy what God has placed on this earth and provide and feed my family. So for those that don't agree continue to sip on your fancy coffee drinks and call me names because I was raised a better person than you…….

  • Ben_OBrien

    In some ways this is about labels. I am a hunter. Shane, you are an anti-hunter. I'm sure we can agree there.

    So, as a part of a group, what we say and do effects that group as a whole. If we curse, yell or worse it is safe to say that furthers the label of our groups as extremist.

    While there is a lot of stereotypes and perceptive assumptions being handed out in this debate, there is a certain reason why. As I said, the loudest voices are being heard. So, when I say this anti-hunting movement is extremist, I am speaking the truth. It is at its core extremest and hateful. But that's not all of you.

    And those hunters that are extremist and hateful have the same effect on me that those heretics on your side do on you and other level-headed folks in your group.

    So, like I said, let's attack these extremists so we can get on with an ACTUAL DEBATE ABOUT OUR DISAGREEMENTS.

  • Sheila

    I am not against hunting for food but trophy hunting, in my opinion, is nothing more than murder for fun. As for the people threatening hunters, you are no better than the hunters themselves. To get a thrill from killing animals only shows how heartless someone is. Take a page from the book of North American Indians who only hunt what they need to survive and then thank the animal for giving of themselves. They show the animal respect, not snap photos of themselves grinning beside their trophy and only kill what they will consume. Hunters, please show these animals some respect and don't hunt for the thrill of a big trophy, please.

    • http://www.facebook.com/sean.dion.98 Sean Dion

      Why don't you ban soldiers aswell.

    • Ridge Climber

      Murder means to take a human life not an animal life. The tribes that ran buffalo off of cliffs were not hunting for what they needed, they ran hundreds of them of the cliffs and didn't do so sparingly. Read the whole history not just the parts that promote your thinking.

    • PeeWee123

      well sorry to break this to you but I consider every animal I take a trophy, and I have yet to be served any Murder Warrants from the local law enforcement agencies for the taking of any wildlife, since I do so within the parameters of the law. It's obvious that you are another person that can't let go of those cute ,cuddly animals that we all loved so much as children……Bambi,Thumper, Stinker….and then Mufasa, and Simba, Timone, and Pumba, but sooner or later you're going to have to grow up and realize that things are way different here in the real world. You ever heard the saying,"Don't knock it until you've tried it."? Well try this sometime, get up real early , say 3:30 am and park your butt up against a nice big tree, and sit there in the dark, being motionless, waiting for daybreak,paying attention to everything around you very keenly, like the first chirps of the cardinal as they overtake the final calls of the whipporwhill. Then something catches your eye, as several deer slowly browse through the area that you occupy, but your presence is unnoticed, as they head towards their bedding areas, as the woods really start to come to life with each passing second, promoting some new tranquility, and then the tranquility is shattered suddenly, as a Mature,trophy class Eastern Wild Turkey gives his good morning Call to the world. GOBBLE,GOBBLE,GOBBLE!!! If that don't give you a thrill, then something is vitally wrong with you. Why, I'd bet 5 dollars against a stale ginger-snap that if you were to experience what I just described, that you would probably pee on your self. It's an accomplishment to harvest any wild animal under fair chase conditions, so why would you not want to take some pictures of your success afield? To me , having photos of these animals alone is a great tribute to the animal and to the spirit of the hunt. Granted, not everyone uses cameras in the same ways, but I would prefer to see a picture of someone truthfully expressing ,their happiness, and appreciation of a successful hunt with a smile, than to see a person emotionless, and distraught like they are suppressing some unhealthy,wicked darkness from within. Honestly , I will not hunt with people that are not happy, or friendly, and don't smile, or people that compare it to being nothing more than murder for fun. I think you need to get back to therapy soon.

      • Kevin

        Nice description and it sounds very appealing indeed.
        The only question I have is, if you’re in for the thrill, why aren’t you a nature photographer instead of a hunter? Do exactly the same thing, and when you finally see your trophy, shoot it with your camera instead of your gun. People would appreciate it even more.
        You’ll probably say : “that’s not the same experience” To which my only conclusion would be: “he likes the killing itself” Which I still find disturbing, no matter what. Wouldn’t it be massively more fun to experience the awe of nature and let the animal live instead of killing it?

  • firevixen6

    I'm not condoning the death threats this woman received. I do believe that it is a horrible thing to sport hunt. These creatures were here before us, and they'll damn sure be here long after we're gone. It's cruel and unusual to sit camo'd out in their natural habitat just to shoot them down when they come along the tasty treats left to lure them out. If you hunt for the purpose of eating and utilizing all of the animal, then by all means, stick with hunting for survival in the event it becomes a necessity. But to just hunt them down for a picture and a wall mount is horrid. It sends the message that life is not precious and we don't have to worry about being the caretakers of our planet and all that it contains. It's wrong. We as a species have done more harm than good. We use and throw away, we have no regard for the consequences of any of our actions. Where did this entitlement mentality come from? When did it become common practice for the human race to be neglectful and irresponsible? It's crap. It makes me ashamed of our own species. Yes, I said it. Go ahead, take your shots if you want to, but it's true. No, I'm not a commune dwelling hippie, and yes, I am part of the problem because I haven't gone vegan, I utilize much of the resources that take a toll on our planet. I'm not claiming saintly behavior. But I'm not so ignorant or arrogant to think I'm entitled to behave in this manner. It's a condition pattern. One that I'll admit is hard to break. Don't you think its high time we start assuming responsibility, and laying the fault at our own feet?

  • Ben_OBrien

    As hunters, we realize that celebration and gloating are often the result of a kill or a successful hunt. Our photos display big smiles and our TV clips fist pumps, but we know that this is not the essence of why we hunt. We chase trophies, but those are mature animals, ready to be taken from the herd and chosen with the interest of the wild game populations at large in mind. in fact, many wildlife biologists would tell you management through hunting is essential to maintain a proper balance among most species and their habitat.

    We hunt to feed the hungry, to feed our families, to keep wild game populations in check, to contribute to local economies, to educate our children and to maintain our bonds with our ancestors–that's just a start. Bottom line: Hunting is the greatest generator of wildlife conservation.

    • bren3721

      If only everyone were as intelligent and rational as you are. Yes hunting is a means of protecting wildlife from the cruel death of starvation due to over population (to those about to deny this – do your research first). I enjoy hunting… even if I don't get anything. I enjoy eating what I hunt and I would love to find and shoot a trophy. To all those that have never hunted… it is not an easy thing to do – the animal has a better chance of getting away, than we have of shooting it, so when we do bring down a nice buck, elk, etc. we do celebrate… it is exciting. But as Ben_OBrien states, that is not why we hunt… only a true hunter would understand.

      • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

        Really? So lions, leopards, grizzlies, and polar bears are being saved from starvation by big game hunters? Give me a break. Your argument is about as intellectually dishonest as saying you are saving them from leprechauns.

        There's nothing merciful or noble about what you do.

        • Ridge Climber

          As crazy as it sounds YES, African population surveys have frequently shown that overpopulation hurts populations more than hunting them does. Peter Capstick explained the relationship on a number of occasions. If you don't like it fine, but its the facts and not just according to the biased.

      • Pat

        How do animals in a canned hunt have a chance of getting away? This is the norm in Africa now as there are so few wild animals left but increasing numbers of tourists (mainly from the US) wanting to kill endangered species to put on their walls. Trophy hunters by definition want to kill animals which are rare. They do not need or want to eat them.

  • Steve

    Just because someone takes a picture and smiles after successfully hunting an animal doesn't mean it wasn't used for food. Seeing as it is very difficult to successfully hunt certain animals it is understandable that they would be happy to have killed the animal in the quickest most painless way. Why is this much attention not given to farm animals that are kept in confined spaces all their lives only to be electrocuted to the death so someone who doesn't mind having dirty work done for them can eat meat.

    • https://www.facebook.com/meowing.around Meowing Around

      I bet Jeffrey Dalmer smiled when he was eating humans.

      Just saying.

      maybe if you all could tame your big bright smiles while holding the murdered bloodstained corpse of your kills people wouldn't get so effed off in the first place.

  • Tex

    Killing for fun is just sick..

    • Ben_OBrien

      You're right. But hunters, and Melissa Bachman, do not kill for fun. We love our sport, but we kill for different reasons.

      Is it OK to whack a cow over the head that's been living in its on feces only so we can eat steak? Is it OK to send a chicken down a conveyor belt to get its head chopped off and thrown into a bucket so we can have McNuggets?

      Death isn't FUN for any animal. But the human body is wired to require protein and meat is the best source there is for that protein.

      If you're going to come with an argument, Tex, you better come harder that that.

      • caroline J

        so Melissa enjoys eating a bucket load of fried bear then?

        • Ben_OBrien

          Caroline,

          I've never hunted with Melissa, nor have you. So, it's safe to say we don't know what she did with her bear meat.

          On the two bear hunts that I've been on, I could not take the meat back across the border so I donated to local folks in Quebec who enjoyed eating it.

          Bear is actually not too bad if you cook it right, you should try it.

  • Anti Hunting

    With absolute respect what is a legal and ethical hunt? Ask the dead animal if it wanted to be snuffed out and whether the playing fields were equal and level because they are NOT!

    • wolf

      Well u best run in to meat packing plant ask all them pigs cows fish and all them other animals that very same thing It all has to die before you can eat it . But the hunter don't pay some one to kill for them . and it cost them less to eat well and wild game is a better food to eat less fat more healthy for ya . And look up your game laws in your state it will tell you legal and ethical hunting laws in your state so you know .

  • ProHunt

    A response petition to demonstrate to National Geographic that there are other voices besides the ones they caved to:
    http://www.change.org/petitions/natgeo-television

  • Pro Hunter

    I am a hunter who uses all the meat from the animals that I kill and would feel bad if any of it was wasted or not utilized in some way. I give the animal the most painless and quick death I can. Most of the time I go home empty handed from a hunt because the animals are very good at avoiding predators. This is much better than the odds of a farm animal who never experiences the wild and is destined for slaughter from day one. I feel partly sad the animal died to provide food but partly happy I was able to accomplish this with low odds. The kill is only a small part of the hunt. Bear meat is very tasty and many people enjoy eating it. How do you know Melissa doesn't eat or donate the meat from her hunts?

    • Deerslayer.

      Well said. I've killed many animals to provide food for my family. I understand the sad that one feels at the loss of life, however Animals are not human. We come first. We are Part of the food chain. The mislead PETA people think we should be removed from the Eco system. I feel sorry for them. They are lost.

      • Susanne

        and I really feel sorry for you hunters murderers and hope you will be healthy from your horrible diseases. you are simply miserable people, more then any living thing you have ever killed.

        • Matt

          Yep, just horrible people.
          But then again, I feel sorry for you. Trying to stop something that will never stop. I mean, you can only run your head into a brick wall so many times.

    • Bob Fowler

      ProHunter —
      Stop trying to justify what you do. These losers won't have any of it. I've tried — it's futile. Just do what you do ethically and tell these losers to piss off. Don't waste your breath with them. These folks sit in their office buildings and try to tell others what should be done in the wild. Really? The height of arrogance. Don't give them the satisfaction of even responding, just tell them to piss off.

  • Michele

    For all of you brave and bold hunters, so full of pride and false bravado over your skills with a rifle or a bow and arrow, I have a suggestion. Since you don't seem to realize that animals are sentient creatures and can actually feel fear or terror, perhaps you should try reading "The Most Dangerous Game", a story by Richard Connell. Then you might begin to understand what the animasl are feeling.

    • Michele

      ……I meant "animals" (sorry).

      • https://www.facebook.com/JWojtecki Jeremy Wojtecki

        Ive been hunted before, its called war.

    • Matt

      I feel "so full of pride" when I donate the meat that I harvest to my church. Which then feeds the poor. I hunt because I know it needs to be done, overpopulation will only created diseases that make the animals suffer more.

    • wolf

      Michele who said they didnt feel fear or terror when they are hunted by man or animals they have there senses u could never under stand but u say read a book why read u can see it in the wild every day but most people are way to lazy to go out in the out doors to see for them self they would rather come on here tell people stuff they learned years ago in the wild do u think when deer getting run down by wolf for a mile more before it gets taken down slow feeling it body get broke and its life going out of its body slowly has less fear then when hunter shoot it with gun or bow and it dies in sec i have seen it close up so dont sit there try to say hunter dont know something when u dont know if they do or not u have it in your mind people just do it becuse they dont care when have u gave your time to clean up state land or help put in food for the animals when have u pay to help them animals out when have u came up with a better way to keep there numbers in line with the land they live on when have u been in woods seen deer laying there dead becuse they didnt have food to eat becuse numbers where way to hight NEVER i pay every year for my tags that gos to state for land for the animals i keep there numbers down and every year i have animals on the land i hunt i go every year clean up the state land put back on that land so dont u every say hunters dont care becuse u are so wrong

    • Pat

      Trophy hunters enjoy the pain and terror of the animals. It's what it it all about for them. If you can stomach it look on the FB pages of hunters. They practically have orgasms describing how they cannot wait to "double-lung" a deer. This is with a bow. The animal drowns slowly in its blood. Trying to breathe in agony. It can take up to an hour. I have seen the videos. These are sick people who should be in therapy. One of the worst hunting pics I have seen is a wolf in a leg trap which has been in agony for days, limping in a circle as shown by the blood distribution. The courageous hunter has had himself photographed in the foreground, grinning and giving a thumbs-up while the animal stands in unimaginable pain and terror behind him. Is this what you mean by "conservation" Pro hunter and deerslayer?

      • wolf

        PAT you seen a deer shoot with arrow double lung and it took hour or more for it to die i would have say that's 100% bull a deer or any animal that are double lung die in sec no air and no drowning but hunter wait to go get there deer just in case or less they see it go down or hear it go down . Pat Pat do not call trapping hunting it is 2 diffent things and where was photo taking becuse in some state you cant trap wolfs and u have to cut them lose when found

      • PeeWee123

        Pat, c'mon now, you are letting those anti depressants get the best of your emotions, and you're letting your imagination to take over your reality. Yes a double lung with an arrow tipped with razor sharp blades is a common shot made with archery equipment, it is not a slow, agonizing death as you have conjured up in your busy little mind. The reason for the razor sharp blades, is to insure that critical, and lethal damage is done to these vital organs so that death happens rather quickly due to massive hemorrhaging , and it is a proven fact that in humans, and animals that when we take a shot to a vital organ , pain and suffering are not hardly evident because of the state of shock that takes over as the body starts preparing to shut down. Yes, there are some unfortunate animals each year that may sustain an arrow that hits the body , but misses the vitals, and yes it sucks when it does happen, but it's called reality,There is no such thing as a flawless hunt, and there are always going to be that one that got away, but every one I know that hunts with bow and arrow, or guns put in countless hours practicing, and shooting over, and over to become efficient and accurate, and lethal, to guarantee that we can humanely dispatch our quarry by our knowledge of where the vital organs are located, and by our shot placement. Killing an animal , by the way, is nowhere near being like an orgasm as you have tried to depict. It's ok to fight for a cause, but you would better serve your purpose if you would educate yourself on what it is that you are trying to defeat, and then be able to present some solid, irrefutable facts, and even then it helps to know all of the details, both great and small, to further validate your position on such matters of importance, otherwise , you'll end up looking like a complete and total fool.

    • Ridge Climber

      I did read it Michele and the point of the book was that the sanctity of human life makes it different from other forms of life on this planet. The maniacal freak who was out to kill the main character in a hunt format lost sight of that. Kind of like how you lost sight of reason when you made your post. Protesting hunting wasn't the point of The Most Dangerous Game. Bad choice of source….

  • https://www.facebook.com/JWojtecki Jeremy Wojtecki

    "A peculiar virtue in wildlife ethics is that the hunter ordinarily has no gallery to applaud or disapprove of his conduct. Whatever his acts, they are dictated by his own conscience, rather than by a mob of onlookers. It is difficult to exaggerate the importance of this fact."

    Aldo Leopold, A Sand County Almanac

  • https://www.facebook.com/JWojtecki Jeremy Wojtecki

    With that being said I myself feel the taking of an animals life is a sacred act. All parts of any animal I harvest are consumed/used. The taking of a trophy animal is an added bonus, not trophy hunting. A trophy animal by definition of my circle of friends is an animal that has reached its peak development and will steadily decline from that point forward. Increasing the chances of spreading disease throughout the remainder of the herd. We as humans, hunter or not, are wholely responsible for the loss and decline of all wild animals and the habitats they need to survive. So blame no one for the humane harvest of an animal, the animals fate would be far more painful if it were not for ethical and law abiding hunters and sportsman.

  • https://www.facebook.com/JWojtecki Jeremy Wojtecki

    In a civilized and cultivated country, wild animals only continue to exist at all when preserved by sportsmen.
    Theodore Roosevelt (1858 – 1919)

    • polcat

      Yes this ^

  • Matt Damon

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Fact is that the animal population needs to be controlled. Until the folks that don’t like hunting want to walk around and throw condoms on the animals to control the population. I will continue to hunt. And when I have enough meat in my freezer, I will donate it to my church so that the poor may eat the meat I harvest. Most of you must have nothing going with your lives, and you aren’t going to change anything. Good day everyone.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

      Which animals need controlling? And why?

  • Bob Fowler

    These anti's are just a bunch of pathetic losers who moonlight as part of the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrations. Because they have no life, they try to affect others. Nat Geo should be condemned for giving in to their efforts to remove this fine lady from their programming. Grow a pair, Nat Geo, and tell these losers to go "pound sand". The anti's keep this up, and one of these days sportsmen will have had enough, and when that happens, these looney-bin anti-hunter organizations better not let it be known where their headquarters are, if you get my drift.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

      Thanks for confirming pretty much what I thought about a lot of hunters…predisposed to violence. Pretty predictable.

    • Pat

      Oh, this Bob Fowler is one brave man! Shooting animals from a safe distance with a high-powered rifle! How I would love to see him take on a bear or a lion or tiger on equal terms, without his gun or his bow, and see how brave and cocky he is then! That would be sport.

  • FAAQ2

    I wonder how many of these protestors eat beef-pork-chicken-lamb at home ? And just how do you think you get these things to eat ? OH that's right you go to the grocery store and buy them in a little package ! So how do you think that got there ?? Because at some plant the employees kill animals and process them so you protesting losers can eat something other than granola or weeds. As for you punks who causally toss out death threats – does that make you feel good ? Or does it just make you cowards and punks – you were probably the bullies in grade school. I hunt and fish and I eat what i catch or kill something you dope smoking clowns would not understand or could even do. So just stand in line like a bunch of pathetic losers waiting for your welfare card so you can buy some food.

    Frankly I think Melissa should visit each and everyone one of you who made a threat to her – and she should drag your worthless ass outside and kick it. Go smoke some more dope and protest the hunting of animals – oh and in the meantime – eat nothing but granola and weeds and slowly starve to death..

    • Mike Brown

      Are you seriously trying conflate trophy hunting of rare/endangered macro-predators(which NEVER exist in high numbers) with subsistence hunting or raising domestic farm animals for slaughter?

      How stupid are you? Seriously…how? This women is killing things for fun…not for food…not for survival…for fun. Let’s not even get into the conversation about what damage she and other idiots like herself cause to the ecosystem by cutting down these animals in their prime.

  • wolf

    Conservationist Tim Martell, 42, says a lifetime of watching National Geographic specials inspired him to pursue a career dedicated to preserving animals and their ecosystems but he take people into there ecosystems for money that would be harmfully to that ecosystems wouldnt it . but i geuss money talk with this guy and for what ive seen he does not put one dime back into that ecosystems or to help animals at all i geuss people let him talk out of both side of his mouth with out finding out about him i geuss in all he has seen on National Geographic specials he didnt learn u dont take people in to a ecosystems that u want to save

    • wolf

      and this guy that that started all this

  • John M

    It's truly incredible how some of Melissa's detractors brag about being meat hunters, but they blow a gasket when they hear that someone might be a "trophy" hunter. Do any of you nuts actually think that trophy hunters don't eat/utilize the meat of the animals they kill? It's okay to be a meat hunter, who will shoot the first legal animal he sees, but it's somehow immoral to be a trophy hunter, who refrains from pulling the trigger until or unless he finds the specific size/age/sex of animal which he is seeking? Being selective is somehow a sin? Honestly, you idiots lay so many levels of hypocrisy on top of one another that it becomes difficult to keep track of what you are babbling about.

    • G Bull

      I was wondering if anyone else noticed that.I'm not a meat hunter I'm not a trophy hunter I'm just a hunter.I don't understand why the supposed "meat hunters" are trying to play to the anti's by condemning the rest us because we decide to pass a button buck to wait for a chance at a mature buck that will utilized for its meat the same as the button buck would have been used.not that there's anything wrong with shooting that button if u want and it is legal.

  • JPnAK

    I truly enjoy being a stuard of the land as the good Lord intended. I was placed here at the top of the food chain as a predator who can survive. I survive by enjoying the harvest from my hunting and fishing which fills my freezer. I am not crazy, just someone who likes to eat a good meal with meat or fish.
    In regards to Mrs Bachman's efforts to be a hunter on TV or a producer, all I can say is she is living her dream and getting paid to do it. At least she has a job and is not one of the left-wing nutjobs waiting for a well-fare check or one of these extreme bloggers that continues to use their off the wall opinions to defame another hard working American. It is pathetic that people don't understand why the animals were put on this planet. There is a reason for predator and prey. She will survive this nonsense and be a better hunter for it.

  • MARK

    Tim Martell (the guy who started all this Sh!T)…what a DB!!!!….I love it when people like Martell claim to be wildlife experts…I have seen numerous times that he is a "Certified Florida Master Naturalist"

    It sounds really impressive…until you do a little research and see that it is a three part course each 40 hours in length (including field trips)….so this nut job has 120 hour under his belt and he is a wildlife "expert"?????

    We should be listening to REAL experts when it comes to wildlife opinions such as state wildlife biologists (who BTW are very much in favor of hunting as a management tool). They generally have a masters degree…spending somewhere between 6 and 8 years of formal education plus years of practical field experience…not three weeks and $675 to get "certified"!

    Here is the curriculum for the lauded Florida Master Naturalist Progam:

    The FMNP consists of three Core Modules

    Freshwater Wetlands
    Coastal Systems
    Upland Habitats
    Each Module is 40 contact hours of classroom learning, field trips, and practical experience. Each Module is $225 and includes detailed course manuals and, upon completion, FMNP certificates, patches, and pins denoting their area of expertise (e.g., Wetlands Master Naturalist) and registration in the online FMNP Graduate Database. Students who choose to complete all three Modules will become Florida Master Naturalists and will receive a plaque, Master Naturalist pin, and registration in the online Master Naturalist Honor Roll Database. The FMNP does not provide university credit toward a degree-seeking program.

    • wolf

      And these are the people that think they know best 120 hour make them expert not even close . i think i will listening to state wildlife biologists there real experts not this not job

  • Rich G

    As a hunter myself i always use all the meat i am fortunate enough to harvest.But if all the people that are complaining would do a little research(which they never do)they would discover that all the meat from trophy hunting gets used rather it's donated to food banks or to the people in villages in Africa and other regions around the world.I wonder if all the complainers will buoycott Nat Geo when someone else other than Melissa Bachman actually kills and eats an animal on the show.Or do they expect hamburgers to be delivered. Are all the whiners vegans?I think not. What a bunch of hypocrates.I guess it's ok to eat some animal that that stands in a line and has a needle shoved through it's brain because that's" humane" and "civilized".it's sad what this world has come to and how a lot of people expect everything to be packaged nicely for them and they don't have to see or do any of the dirty work themselves.

    • shootbrownelk

      Rich….perhaps the anti-trophy hunting crowd should watch "MeatEater". That's what the host, Steve Rindel does every week. He shoots a meat animal, sometimes a trophy but most of the time NOT… and he eats it!
      Usually right on the spot. He doesn't waste a morsel. He has ethics, morals and he's a family man.
      He also authored a book with the same name. MeatEater, it should be required reading for any tree-hugging, fern-fondling anti!

  • Ethical Hunter

    All hunters and non-hunters alike need to watch the Boone and Crockett Country on hunters’ ethics and why hunting is important for the survival of that species of animal. It’s not as simple as you think to stop hunting and save the animals forever. If you stop legal ethical hunting everywhere around the world you would see a mass extinction of a very large number of these animal species, never to be seen again on the face of the earth. In turn you non hunters would be the ones that are responsible for the extinction. Please education yourself on conservation. Understand that conservation in America was founded by hunters who have seen what non-regulated over hunting could do, what the expansion of man into their habitat and the loss of habitat due to urbanization would do to the wildlife.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      While I quite support ethical hunting, I’m curious as to which species would suffer mass extinction if it was stopped. Can you provide some examples?
      Subsequent to the Chernobyl disaster, hunting was forbidden for a substantial area around the site. This part of the Ukraine and Belarus now houses one of the healthiest populations of wild animals in central Europe, including large predators.
      Nature seems to manage quite well without us.

  • Ethical Hunter

    Theodore Roosevelt, the noted conservation president, had an impact on the national park system extending well beyond his term in office. As chief executive he signed legislation establishing five national parks: Crater Lake, Oregon; Wind Cave, South Dakota; Sullys Hill, North Dakota. This is the same national park system that we enjoy in the US today; the same that saved habitat from being developed and it was all made possible by one of the biggest hunters in American history (Theodore Roosevelt, President, Conservationist and hunter). Please visit this link and educate yourself and stop using your feeling on this subject and start using logic and science to understand the impact on the earth and its animals if hunting was made illegal. http://www.boone-crockett.org/huntingEthics/ethic

    • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

      You are deluding yourself if you think Teddy had a great deal of compassion for animals.

      • Ethical Hunter

        Goes to show what you know. Or is it what you don't. That’s why you will never read about what he did to save many of the big game animals of North America. You will never understand or be able to see both sides. Because you only know what you think you know and that makes you in the right now don't it.

        • Alan Dean Foster

          You are quite right about Roosevelt; conservationist and hunter.
          But this isn’t 1910, and not everything that seemed right and proper then is necessarily right and proper now.
          Too bad we can’t take a survey on relevant opinions from the folks in 2113.

    • VulpineMac

      As I remember–and there’s a fair amount of documentation to support this–Roosevelt wanted to conserve the beauty of the land–with very little thought for the animals that lived on that land. Those National Parks are there more to prevent human development that would destroy the majesty of the lands he designated.

  • Tori

    I was one of the people who didn't want her on the show, but I think sending her death threats and hate mail etc. is terrible. I want everyone to know not all anti-hunter activists are like this.

    • Ridge Climber

      Thank you!

    • shootbrownelk

      Tori, you didn't want Bachman on National Geographic but are OK with "Swamp People" What the hell??
      Those folks don't bother you…They're always looking for the biggest,baddest Gator to catch, so they can be declared "King of the Swamp"…."Shooot him Lizzabeth"

      • VulpineMac

        Even those Swamp People are under regulation, as is referenced in nearly every episode about how they have to tag and report every kill and adhere to specific hunting seasons. That’s a lot different from what Bachmann did.

  • Justin

    NatGeo just lost all my respect.

  • Conservationis

    So I am curious.. How many of you anti hunters donate, support, plant trees for the wildlife you claim to love?
    None. Instead you sit at your desk harassing, degrading people you don't know. It disgusts me.
    I am a proud hunter. I supply my child with fat free, hormon free wild game meat. I do not own an atv. I do not drink beer or mess around while I hunt. I have saved and raised injured deer, birds, squirrels, skunks, ect.
    I say a prayer each time I harvest an animal and thank god for the meat to feed us.
    I would file charges against anyone whom threatened me or my family. It is sick and vulgar.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

      What is it with you hunters and your BS about 'what have you done'. Apart from spending what is necessary to indulge in your hobby, how much do you do to help the environment? I donate money, I help with clean ups and, yes, plant trees, I lobbied hard against development that would pave over arable land or encroach on wetlands, and also lobbied to have regulations changed to protect some species from overfishing. I know plenty of other people who do the same and who don't demand that they be allowed to kill something in exchange. If you put the time and money you devote to hunting into activities like these, you'd probably accomplish more.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      Support you 100%
      On the other side….
      My wife’s father was born in 1900. Very poor family. Often if he didn’t hunt, they didn’t eat meat.
      But he remembers when jaguars roamed free in Texas, and ranchers’ fences were lined with the carcasses of wolves and bobcats, and as an old man…regretted that.

    • VulpineMac

      I won’t support you 100% because you’re grouping yourself with a class of hunter that couldn’t care less about doing so to support their families. You stereotype all of your detractors without truly knowing them, though I agree that many are as you say.

      I support hunting when the hunt is truly legitimate; to cull overpopulation, to feed self and family or to directly protect people from aggressive–meaning most likely aged, diseased or injured–predators. Having a perfectly healthy lion trucked or airlifted into a ‘preserve’ strictly for the purpose of killing it is NOT, to me, legitimate hunting.

  • jerry

    Its so sad that all these people who are anti every thing have no relation ship with jesus Christ. For if they had Genesis 9:3 whould have been the first thought in their mind. Its strange that out of all the comments, no one even mentions the person who owns all of every thing. And His name is God. Also that one day in the very near future every knee shal bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Romans 14:11 And their will not be an option!!!!

    • Laura

      Fairytales…. good for putting people to sleep, but not much else.

    • http://www.facebook.com/carro.biverman Carro Biverman

      Ah yes, let's let our lives be ruled by a bunch of ancient fables. How is that working out so far?

    • Carlos Oliveira

      if you are so into Jesus and God, let me know where you stand on “Thou shall not kill”…from what i remember, there is no astrix besides that saying “unless you have fur, walk on all fours, a beak, feathers etc. etc. “

    • VulpineMac

      Whether you believe in God or not, mankind has a responsibility to HUSBAND the animals of field and forest, sea and air. That doesn’t mean killing them just for the purpose of taking their heads. Even THAT is in the Bible.

  • laura

    La grande TROIA, speriamo che la impallinino per bene lei, ma per bene, definitivamente!!!!

  • Jon

    Trophy hunting or not the meat is still being used. Average hunters also dream of shooting a trophy animal. And let me tell you they are very tasty. Most of the people that are against hunting have probably never left the security of a paved road. With the big organic push going on these days I am doing my part by eating at least two whitetail deer every year. Hunting is here to stay it's my right, your right, and the right of future generations. I WILL ALWAYS HUNT AND FISH FOR FOOD NOT THE TROPHY. I WILL ALSO CONTINUE TO INTRODUCE CHILDREN TO THE SPORT OF HUNTING AND FISHING, THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF OUR SPORT.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      My wife makes a killer venison-elk chili.
      Lion is not fit to eat.

    • VulpineMac

      There’s a difference between killing a predator that controls the prey population and killing a prey population that has no predators; no?

  • FL Female Hunter

    I am a hunter, I do not trophy hunt. I do however hunt for food and not trophy, as do I grow my own vegetables to eat. I used to raise chickens but I found that to be a little to cruel for my taste. I couldn't raise them in a cage then kill them.

    Anyway, back to why I am posting. I am thinking I need to post pictures of the area I normally hunt here in Florida. The population of the animals (mostly hogs) are so great that they have eaten themselves out. There is not enough food for them, they look like death, scrawny and all bones. I am talking to people trying to see what I should do. I do not like to take an animal and not eat them but may have to in order to dwindle the population and help the others to become healthy and have food to eat. There is literally not enough food for them all to survive. I could go out and shoot them and donate the animal to a local place that has lions, cougars and tigers or I could leave them alone and let them die a slow painful death… It is a difficult decision for me, there is not enough meat, nor are they healthy enough to eat, but I don't want to shoot them and not eat them. Situations like this are what most anti-hunting (not all) do not realize. Next time I go out there I will try and get some pictures of them to show you all what we are talking about. Then maybe, just maybe (I really doubt it though) you will understand the whole conservation aspect of why we do this.

    I do also enjoy my time in the woods. I enjoy listening to the animals wake up in the morning and watching the squirrels and birds walking around playing and gathering food. There is much more to hunting then what you think or see on T.V. Just because a few people think it's ok to trophy hunt doesn't mean we all do. Just because you have a few anti-hunters threatening to kill a hunter (which makes no sense to me at all, I am mad at you for killing an animal because it is not right so I will kill you, seriously, where is the logic in this??) doesn't mean that all anti-hunters are like that. You really need to not generalize, maybe have someone take you hunting so you can experience what we do. I have taken several anti-hunters with me in the woods to show them what I do. They would see a "trophy" deer walk by and me not shoot it because it was too young. I went hunting this weekend and I had a couple deer in front of me I could shoot and didn't because they were still young. They were does, so it had nothing to do with the size of the "trophy". Maybe you should try it before you knock it, just sayin…..

    • ND52

      @bdfb4513dacbfb5de893b6f80c1843df:disqus

      You can’t compare hunting an invasive, destructive species like feral hogs to trophy hunting animals in their native habitat that pose no threat to humans.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      Support you 100%
      As the overpopulation of deer and the horribly destructive feral hogs, it would be a bit better if the Florida panther hadn’t been wiped out, yes?

  • Krazykraut

    We need to stop allowing ourselves to be terrorized by the loud-mouthed hate mongers who won’t stop until the only permissible view in this country is their own.

  • Vinny

    I went to sign the petition stated by petersons to support melissa bachman but cannot locate it. We need to be more active in fighting these idiots who attack things they know nothing at all about.

  • michael

    i'll stop watching nat. geo. if they dont air this episode. hunting is part of our heritage and i'm proud to support melissa. i'm not going to comment on the anti hunting crowd but i will say this" don't tread on me" end of story!

    • Alan Dean Foster

      Slavery is also “part of our heritage”.
      Things change.

  • Noelle

    Wow, this is truly fascinating to read such a scale of values and beliefs. I am not a hunter, but I support respectful hunters completely. In fact, the hunters I have met (actually most of my friends and coworkers are) are the most down to earth, caring and respectful conservationists I have ever come across. These ethical people actually inspired a campaign here in Alberta, Canada, where hunting is an integral past time: http://www.mymeatslegal.com. It's an in your face way to show you're a respectful hunter or angler, while taking a stand against poachers–against the people who taint it for everyone else. Whether we agree with each other or not, civil discussion help us all learn and think twice about what we really believe in. To all you ethical hunters commenting on here (you know who you are): I applaud you. Thanks for doing what you do.

    • James

      The target of the hunt makes all the difference here.

    • VulpineMac

      Not all hunters are “respectful hunters”. Would you call a rancher that kills a wolf “respectful” if he had no proof that the wolf he killed was attacking his stock? Would you call that hunter “respectful” if he just hung the carcass up on a fence post out in the middle of nowhere–minus its head?

      There are two kinds of hunter, and most certainly the “big game trophy” hunters are not among the “respectful” type. Most are little more than poachers and the others are simply ego-centric boors. I will qualify that with the ones who make the kill for a specific ecological or sociological purpose. Those are the few who are actually doing good with their hunts.

  • Stephen

    As I read these comments and posts it's obvious that people don't fully understand the nature of trophy hunting. In the United States it is illegal to leave the meat of harvested game behind while bringing home the antlers. In Africa the meat from Trophy game is given to african tribes in the area so that good food isn't wasted. There are programs dedicated to donating unwanted game meat to food banks which frequently goes to families that lack the means to keep food on the table. There is nothing wrong with trophy hunting when it is done honestly. The real question we need to ask ourselves is how do we sleep at night criticizing people who choose to hunt and take the life of an animal when we leave it to the butcher. People can say what they want but the fact is the common hunter is more mindful of the environment and more concerned with humanely killing his/her quarry than beef processors were before government regulation had to intervene.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      I have no trouble with honest trophy hunting, though I fail to understand the appeal (“Look, me kill! Me big man! Me big woman!”)
      The problem is with hunting (if you can call this hunting…tripod, circumscribed area, guide, canned hunt) endangered animals. Lion populations are down all over Africa. Breeding in small areas weakens the gene pool. And there is an underground in South Africa in particular that sneaks in animals captured in National Parks and preserves for just such hunts. Lions, unlike rhinos, aren’t tagged and monitored.
      Besides, lion tastes terrible. Stringy.

  • gramcracka

    How about the anti-hunters who poison food and leave it for a hunters' dog to find.How about all the deer we hunters take that would end up wrecking their cars.How about the meat donated by hunters to food banks (never seen a peta member there) and the money spent by hunters at local stores come hunting season.these people should learn the facts before going on a stupid campaign.

    • James

      And I see how hunting lions and elephants supports your claims here. Talk about something relevant.

    • VulpineMac

      A deer isn’t a lion.
      A deer isn’t a bear.
      A deer isn’t a wolf.
      Lions eat deer and control the population.
      Bears eat deer and control the population.
      Wolves eat deer and control the population.

      Strangely, the deer population is out of control. Why?
      No lions.
      Few bear.
      No wolves.

  • Common sense

    If hunters were as savage as these pansy-ass hippies claim, this wouldn't be an issue. Hunters would win. They would hunt and kill these morons making death threats. The fact is hunters value life. They do far more to promote regulation and conservation than any other group. These feel good libs think that because they fight with there faceless internet protest they are tough. What a joke.

    They say they are the voice of the voiceless. Really? Do they even consider the fact that abortion is killing voiceless babies? No, these same libs claim that the right to chose supersedes the right to live, yet humanity's right to hunt is an atrocity because it attacks the voiceless. Hypocrisy, anyone?

    Further hypocrisy abounds when you consider the fact that evolution condones hunting. How many years has hunting been taking place in ALL species? This isn't a new thing at all.

    You people are so smug and angry about your "causes" that you don't look at the bigger picture and how stupid you are. Before you type your reply, you hypocritical liberal extremists, consider the fact that you are a leach off planet earth as well. Every keystroke is using electricity derived in someway that "harmed" you precious planet. Morons.

    • Mike

      You sound like the kind of leech who takes pride and gets a thrill by taking lives. Where does that leave you compared with us other leeches?

    • Alan Dean Foster

      “Hunters value life”
      “Arbeit macht frei”.
      Orwellspeak.

  • Get Real

    When wild life shows, hunting shows, and other sports related show bow to a group of people who hammer them with email and responses, that is when the world is sad.
    Everyone who wrote notes to Melissa Bachman, or any other person in this setting, weather it be for video or personal, you are no better than them. Especially the ones who threaten them, you are really even lower then they are (as you portray them), and would not succeed.

    Your ancestors had to survive by hunting and killing, or you would not even be here to bitch and complain.
    Leave the hunting books and shows to the hunters who relate and respect what is happening. We don't go after your hummus magazines.

    Find another point to your life.

    • GetRealYourself

      So the big five should be hunted in captivity for your survival – is that what you’re saying? You can’t eat that meat you complete numpty.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      You’re absolutely right about our ancestors having “to survive by hunting and killing”.
      One would like to think we might have advanced just a little since then.

  • PeeWee43

    It doesn't matter to these closed minded, hypocrites that call themselves the anti-hunting movement, People for the ethical treatment of animals, USHSUS or whatever other names they live behind, now NAT GEO, you present them with solid scientific data, all based on facts on the importance of hunting seasons, and show them the facts and the data that supports those facts, and they will still debate hunting , and call it cruel, and inhumane.Game animals, wild animals are all Natural Resources, as is the lands that sustain these same animals, but that doesn't mean anything to these people. There is nothing wrong with hunting under fair chase conditions, it is engineered in our most primal instinct. There is a need, and a purpose for hunting and conservation. We get it, but then you get your pot head,acid tripping hippies like Timothy Treadwell that had a passion for bears, but also disrespected the fact, that these Kodiak Brown Bears were wild animals, not the "characters" that he had made up in his very narrow,delusioned and closed mind. Sure he was a big hit with the Antis, and elementary school kids, and the local drug dealers, but even in his own documentaries he was openly violating National Parks rules on a daily basis, and would even shout profanities against what the laws were, and he was adored by NAT GEO, and even had his girlfriend sold on his fantasy dominated mindset that he was accepted as a member of the Brown Bear family, until reality made a very special guest appearance which cost him, and his lady friend their lives. He ,along with a big number of the antis seem to lose sight of the fact that these are wild animals period. They don't get together in the evenings to discuss the days events over a nice warm meal, they don't form hate groups, and try to devise plans to do in the human race, nor do they get together for sing a longs either, but that's pretty much the mindset that we have to deal with when it comes to these antis, almost like dealing with overly spoiled, and never disciplined children that belong to someone else. They have the right to their opinions, and that's what makes us Americans, we don't have to like something, it's our right to like something or not to like it. These antis are always trying to make us give up something that we love ie hunting, fishing, eating meat, guns etc, ……it's like they will not be happy until they are granted full control over someone else's freedom to live life as they see fit, and we just politely take it time after time, without so much as giving them a fat lip. As someone mentioned earlier, there are extremists on both sides of the battle, but the lack of facts, and the absence of reasoning and logic, shows why we don't even bother.While there are some anti supporters that are civil, your extremist brethren are the ones keeping the rest of you guys from being a voice, so either say something that needs to be heard, or just keep allowing these mindless flap dragons to do your bidding for you.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      See Nat Geo for article on decline of lions in Africa.

  • Saltwater

    I take it that all the anti-hunters are Vegan! If not and you eat meat than you are a hypocrite. Its more humane to hunt a wild animal then it is for the animals in the commercial feed lots standing in their own filth day after day to be killed on a whim. I respect the rights and beliefs of non-meat eaters that are anti-hunters, but I do not respect anyone that allows others to do your dirty work (kill and butcher a domestic animal) and eats meat.

    • James

      Most of these people complaining don’t stand against hunting completely – but they stand against hunting animals that serve no gain apart from a bolstered ego coupled with a head on their wall and a rug on their floor. Especially when they make out like they’re awesome because of it. That’s just plain sad and incredibly disrespectful to the countries they do it in.

      • informedcitizens

        in most of her hunts the meat is donated to the local needy. as is the case with the lion everyone now wants to hate her for.

        • VulpineMac

          That hardly matters, since the lion was brought in for the specific purpose of her shooting it. It wasn’t a ‘hunt’, it was murder, pure and simple.

          • informedcitizens

            murder doesnt apply to animals actually. in the law the only thing close is animal cruelty. (there are a few regions on the earth that consider some animals on par with humans, in india dolphins now receive this classification.) however nature is much crueler than most hunters. melissa is a good shot, and the animals she hunts suffer very little if at all compared to a death in the wild. do you recall the story of the pair of lions who killed an upwards of 40 people just for the fun of it? would you call it murder when a lion kills a human and it isnt done for food? then why would you call it murder if a human does the same to the lion?

          • VulpineMac

            So you’re saying it’s ok for humans to kill predators just for the fun of it while it’s not ok for animals to kill humans for the same reason. While I agree with the second half of that statement, I strongly DISagree with the former. If the animals are murdering people, then THOSE animals need to be stopped. But you can’t bunch all lions into the classification of “man-eaters”.

            Whether Melissa is a good shot or not isn’t the question. It’s the simple fact that there was no NEED to kill that lion. At least, no NEED that I am aware of. By all reports that lion was specifically brought in so she could shoot it. Why?

          • informedcitizens

            because she paid the fees to get the permit and set up the hunt, and there is an industry that caters to this type of activity which thrives in south africa. it relies on whether or not there is a population to sustain it though, if it was deemed that her killing this lion was in any way a threat to the population of lions she would not have gotten a permit. as far as no NEED, there is no NEED to do a lot of things. that people enjoy doing. people hunt lions in south africa pretty regularly. she just happened to be the victim of a bad internet campaign. i also didnt say anything about it not being ok for animals to kill humans for fun. i actually didnt express my opinion on it. i merely said that it happens, is it a different classification because its an animal vs a human rather than a human vs an animal? i also said nothing of labeling all lions man eaters. i think reading comprehension is a lot of why people are so angry about this. that and lack of research. its ok to be against hunting if you want, nevermind that it serves a purpose and is an activity that many enjoy. but id say its wrong to blast someone and threaten her family based on bad information.

          • VulpineMac

            Then I pity you. That lion was NEEDED elsewhere but it was sacrificed for a woman’s ego.

          • informedcitizens

            where was it needed in south africa? i also wouldnt say its for ego. i dont hunt (when not for food) for ego. i do it because i enjoy the outdoors for the most part and am a lover of nature. (i know your going to say something stupid like how can you hunt and love animals. sigh) whether she did it for ego or not though doesnt really matter since it was all perfectly legal, happens all the time, and was deemed to not be a threat to the animals being hunted in that area or the area they were taken from. if you are one of these people who wants to ban hunting completely then perhaps you should take a look at the several african nations that did so and what the result was. poaching skyrocketed to the point where animal populations in those areas are lower than they were when regulated hunting was allowed. in south africa however its a different story as it has a 100 year history of regulated hunting and animal populations are much higher than they were 100 years ago before regulated hunting.

          • VulpineMac

            You continue to prove that you don’t live up to your username; you are hardly well-informed and you are extremely egotistical if you believe you can predict what your debate opponent is going to say.

            I have never said hunting to support your family and to bring food in for your family is wrong. What I have said is that hunting PURELY for sport, is. The greatest hunters in this land–the people who hunted here before the Europeans invaded this land–well respected the animals they hunted and by most accounts asked forgiveness for having to kill and thanked their prey for giving their lives so the hunter and his family could live. Few modern hunters, and particularly sport-only hunters, have even that much respect for the creatures they kill.

            As for your commentary about how the African wildlife has recovered–keep in mind that about 100 years ago hunting wasn’t as easy as it is today and that on average the wildlife didn’t even begin its recovery until maybe 60 years ago. What creatures weren’t being hunted for trophies where frequently hunted for zoos around the world. I suggest you do some research because your 100-year example fails in the face of historical fact–where REGULATED hunting in most areas didn’t even begin until the late ’50s or so.

            So who’s really the better informed? Someone who calls himself ‘informedcitizens’, or someone you try to insult as a “furry”?

          • informedcitizens

            “I have never said hunting to support your family and to bring food in
            for your family is wrong. What I have said is that hunting PURELY for
            sport, is.” I have never met a soul who needs the food they are putting on their table. The food is usually just a bonus. Most people who hunt even species they can eat, do it for the sport. Whether you are talking banning trophy hunting or hunting altogether the same outcome applies. Instead of well regulated hunting you get unregulated hunting (which is a much worse off thing for the species.) A good example of this is the white rhino which is now off limits, but is hunted even more so than it was when it was legal. as far as “100 year example” money from hunting going towards the conservation of species and land has been happening in south africa for 100 years resulting in a much larger animal population than before.

          • VulpineMac

            You haven’t lived in some of the more rural areas of our country, have you? Many of those people pretty much have to live on what they farm and what they hunt. Two deer represents nearly a year’s worth of meat for them and are usually more healthy eating than the processed meats that cost so much in the grocery store. 500# of meat for the price of one or two $10 bullets is a lot cheaper than even $1.99/lb for chicken or the fattiest hamburger. Not everybody lives the life of luxury as you seem to believe.

            That said, keep in mind that those licenses you purchase are issued for a reason. Were it not for you hunters, the deer population would eventually overwhelm what little food supply they have left, which would sicken them and potentially cause a plague that would make the Black Plague look like an outbreak of the common cold. However, if those deer’s predators had not been killed off, that would not be an issue.

          • informedcitizens

            i dont know where you live, but i live in an extremely rural part of the country. hunting is very popular here, but ive never known anyone who HAS to hunt. after all the fees and costs of hunting not to mention the time it takes, they arent really saving much more than buying meat from a butcher around here. everyone pretty much does it for the sport. the meat is a real nice bonus though. coyote hunting around here is extremely popular also and its just for the sake of hunting, you dont get any meat and rarely is the pelt intact enough to be worth anything.

            on that note, the deer around here have PLENTY of natural predators left, to the point where its open season on coyotes all year round.

          • VulpineMac

            Do you know the difference between a coyote and a wolf? Wolves are protected and their carcasses are still being found on fenceposts in your part of the country. Additionally, more than six wolves have been recently found shot to death down in North Carolina. Please do tell me about how ‘careful’ hunters are.

          • informedcitizens

            actually there are no wolves in my part of the country. at least not officially. there are occasionally some rumors of a sighting.

          • informedcitizens

            these conservationist grounds that were built using the money from the hunting industry starting as far back as 100 years WERE a form of regulated hunting where they would not allow someone to come in and hunt certain species based on the number and the need. Just because there were no official countrywide regulations does not mean there was not regulated hunting.

    • Mike Brown

      This is not about subsistence hunting you imbecile.

      • informedcitizens

        in most of her hunts the meat is donated to the local needy. The lion included.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.forbes.370 Michael Forbes

    I am not a vegan I eat meat. If I want meat I go to a butcher. He gets his meat from a slaughter house, they get their meat from a farmer who is qualified to rear and produce
    livestock for the meat industry. There is no need to go out and kill extra animals, wild animals which are not part of the meat process.
    So Melissa wants some bacon, then a wild animal in its natural environment dies? No she can go to Walmart like everyone else. I find Malissa’s enjoyment
    of killing animals very disturbing, its not about the meat, its about “ having
    fun”.All life on earth should be treated with respect, living creatures are not points in a video game. Life is lost so she can have her “fun”

    Its immature and pathetic. She choses to kill those animals I chose along with many others to see them still alive.

    • http://profiles.google.com/wiremu.white Tom White

      Life is lost so she can have her fun, yet life is also lost so you can enjoy your meat. Life should be respected you say, well at least the animals she kills live somewhere closer to their natural environment than on a farm! Seems rather hypocritical of you to pick on her. Next you’ll be picking on those who enjoy recreational fishing while eating your tuna sandwich. Don’t you know that hunting is natural? Even animals do it yet you want to push your weird morals on hunters. No. Get a clue man.

      • lillo90

        I wasn’t aware she was eating the countless animals she has killed.

        • informedcitizens

          in a lot of cases she donates the meat to the needy, as is the case with the now infamous lion picture everyone hates her for.

          • k-neko

            So . . . donating the meat somehow reverses the ecological impact of killing a keystone predator and most likely destroying the entire pack? Whatever.

          • informedcitizens

            yeah because im sure the nature conservancy group who maintained the land she hunted on and gave her a permit for the lion would let that happen. are you serious? they dont give a permit for an animal like this unless it fits in with their conservation efforts.

          • informedcitizens

            but maybe you dont understand how hunting and conservation go hand in hand? most the people commenting against her dont considering how much of her time and energy she has put into conservation. I dont imagine all of the people posting threats on her pages and news stories put together even come close to what shes done. but hey. dont let the truth get in the way of a good old fashioned hate mongering.

          • Kevin

            If you still believe this, get a reality check on how the world works: everything can be bought nowadays. If you want a permit to kill an animal, you put down enough money and you get a permit. Regardless of what the impact is on nature/conservation. Especially in countries where a large part of the population needs the money.
            And since wildlife preservation is already very difficult to maintain in african countries (check the dramatic numbers of illegally killed elephants the last years) due to poachers, you should ask yourself the question whether permits for ‘legal’ hunters should even be given.

          • informedcitizens

            um i know how the world works. we are talking lions not elephants. however just because elephants in one part of the continent have been slaughtered doesnt mean there might be considered to be too many in a different part of the continent. but again, we are talking lions. yes the lion permit is bought, the money going back into the conservation she bought it from. she spent thousands of dollars on this hunt. people go to south africa to hunt lions ALL the time. (legally) if it was a danger to the population of lions they would not give a permit. its the same way hunting works where i live. if moose populations are up more permits are given, if they are down, less permits.

          • VulpineMac

            You seem to forget that the lion in question was specifically shipped in for the specific purpose of her shooting it. Do you really think that was anywhere near natural?

          • informedcitizens

            it was shipped in from a place that was deemed to have a population of lions that could easily sustain such a move. something that isnt unheard of.

          • VulpineMac

            So why wasn’t that lion moved to a place that has a marked shortage of predators? That would have been a far more equitable and ecological move.

            Even the “Wild Kingdom” show decades ago captured and moved predators to where they were needed unless the animal was considered an express danger to nearby human populations.

          • African Cheetah

            Nothing wrong in donating the meat, IF it is really given to those that really needs it. But hunting endangered species.. SO WRONG..

          • TheChosenOne

            lions aren’t endangered idiot

          • African Cheetah

            Are you from Africa……..

          • Vicarious Fan

            yeah Lions aren’t endangered. Close but not yet. The biggest threat to them isn’t hunters or the money given to hunt them its mailnly poachers and urban development.

          • African Cheetah

            Sorry but I have to disagree with you there.. Wild lions are just about 2500.. The rest of the 23 000 are lions that are al over the world I guess, I in cages. But not wild.. In the last century they have been declining from 70 000 to 23 000 and that with the most of that 36 000 were killed in the last say 30 year.. And Africa have allot of people. But we have a lot of places that we conserve for instance for animals and natives. Some of our parks are the biggest or second biggest in the world. And on our farms we have a lot of wilderness. Buck come and go like they want.. The fences are but 4 to 6 feet tall and they jump over it easy. Wild pigs, small dear climb throw it very easy.. The space between the wires are about 20cm wide. That’s not cased in.. It is the wild rangers that have in closers that are totally closed up.. Most farms do not look like that.. Most farm are from 5 000 to 25 000 hectares and each with about 4 posts on them.. 25 000 mite have 16 post.. Its big places here. And the natives populate there own areas or work and stay on the farms.. There are cities here but a few big ones.. Further on we have town.. You do know that you(the tourists) only se a little when you come to tour. There is a lot that are kept from you. You do know that don’t you.. Like we say in our language only the front line is shown to you, the back line are not for you… And pouching, yes that is a problem.. Because there are a demand for it.. Little lion cubs are taken and razed for one purses only. Hunters.. These lions are being bread for this only.. So that the hunters can have a trophy.. But there are places were they are rescued from these hunter farms.. But now they are tamed and can not be released in to the wild.. Ha-ha-ha yes the trophy hunters shoot tamed lions.. Not even wild lions.. I can just imagine this hunters bragging about there big hunt.. What a bunch of losers.. They think they are doing it like real prehistoric hunters.. What a joke.. Gest what you are all given the easy way and seeing the nice things.. And then we hear from you “O Africa is so hard and hot” But you do not real see the hard core AFRICA.. What??? This is what you want.. Not true..

          • J. Rockwell

            Lions are close to becoming endangered. The great thing is people with your wraped perception of reality are becoming endangered as well, and the world is a much better place for it.

          • informedcitizens

            lions are becoming endangered because of the spread of humans, destroying their preferred habitats. add to that unregulated hunting activities aka poaching. regulated hunting by conservationists has a nill impact on populations, thus why its allowed in the first place. also hunters are not becoming endangered, growing up around hunters ive seen no change in the amount of the population who enjoys the activity. if anything ive seen more hunters as time goes on. i have however also seen anti hunters become more extreme to the point of threatening violence. as with this fine young lady.

          • ACEG

            Oh dear informedcitizens. Unfortunately there is no hope educating people like you. From reading your illiterate responses it seems you are not mentally able to grasp either logic or morality, possibly a result of not having adequate education when you were young. From a neutral point of view, what’s so funny is that you believe what you are saying actually makes sense, whilst anyone with more than a single brain cell can see your arguments are completely flawed. Keep on commenting informedcitizens, your ignorance amuses me.

          • informedcitizens

            i think what you meant to say was that you have no real argument against what i said so instead you will try to attack me personally. a sure sign your losing the debate. =(

          • informedcitizens

            the argument here was that the meat is going to waste, its not. also she would not have been allowed to get a permit for this animal from the conservationist grounds it came from had it been deemed to have a large negative ecological impact.

          • TheChosenOne

            SIMBAH

          • lillo90

            So if i kill you and donate the meat that means that I honored your death right?

          • informedcitizens

            that would be considered murder under the law. im not sure on the legality of cannibalism in a non-survival situation. nowhere did anyone say that eating the animal is honoring it also.

          • African Cheetah

            Ya donate the meat she did.. That hunting place sales it to the butcher.. Or the next person that wants it.. and no way I am eating lion meat.. Jug… It stinks.. It eats other animals.. Ne I am shore it was burned..

          • CMav

            Lion meat, everybody’s favorite. Give us a break. She’s a troglodyte.

          • informedcitizens

            whats wrong with lion meat? anyways the point was that yes lions are edible and are in fact eaten. not sure what donating meat to the poor has to do with cavemen but hey whatever. if enjoying nature and hunting makes you a caveman then i must be a caveman too despite living in a comfortable house =]

          • dzag45

            Lions are on the endangered list you idiot! She was a coward to shoot down a Lion. It was probably sleeping, when she killed it for pleasure.

          • informedcitizens

            No, lions are NOT on the endangered species list. (you idiot) if they were it would have been IMPOSSIBLE to get the legal permit she got to hunt one. its status as awake or asleep/drugged/ is speculation and doesnt really matter but the conservation who set up her hunt says she stalked it and it wasnt drugged.

          • huntersarekillers

            Then why can Rhinos still be hunted legally. Are they not endangered either? And why should we wait till it gets endangered and then suddenly we all realise it is wrong to hunt them. How stupid is that??? We all know the human race is not endangered. Should we not start hunting them too? The point should not be whether it is legal ot not. It is the need a person feels to kill something, anything, and the joy they feel in doing so that is so disturbing about hunting. Hunting for survival is not the issue here. The issue is killing for fun. That said, I believe factory farming animals are far worse than hunting. And so is canned lion hunting. Canned hunting should not even be called hunting in the strictest sence of the word. All trophy hunters should be under phsyciatric observation in my opinion. If anyone feels strongly about conservation, let them donate the money… But noooo, they feel the need to kill. In the name of conservation of course. Hiding their psycosis behind some man made, senseless. law .

          • informedcitizens

            “The white rhino, through much effort by hunters and conservationists,
            has increased in numbers sufficiently to once again be hunted in
            South Africa. The black rhino (Diceros bicomis) has not made such a
            successful comeback and is still highly protected.”

            The only legal rhino to hunt is white rhinos which are not listed as endangered, black rhinos are endangered and cant be hunted. hope that answers your question.

            as far as trophy hunters needing physician treatment, thats a pretty ridiculous statement since there is nothing wrong with them. Practically all hunters are trophy hunters even if they are just hunting for food. Or to put it in another way, practically all hunters are doing it for fun. the food is an added bonus. i dont go deer hunting because im too poor to go to the store, the cost of hunting supplies and time invested trumps that anyways.

      • Glenda Myers

        To kill for food is one thing.. To kill as a sport is quite another!!

      • Shona Wightman

        Canned Hunting is natural ?? think you need to get a clue

    • Vicarious Fan

      wait do you think the meat that you eat that came from the slaughter house was treated with respect?

      I would say hunting is far more respectful then getting it from a slaughter house.

      You also have to realize that there is a thing known as population control. If these animals aren’t hunted then they will grow wild and cause massive damage to crops and surrounding fields.

      • Kris

        Yeah right.. population control
        Read what she kills
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508209/Self-styled-hardcore-huntress-sparks-outrage-posting-picture-male-lion-shot-dead-social-media-thousands-sign-petition-ban-South-Africa.html

        how often do you see any of these animal causing “”massive damage to crops”

        • Vicarious Fan

          actually you hear it a lot. If you have ever been to a rural area you would understand. Yes even Lions can be a huge problem.

          Are you suggesting that Humans are lower then animals?

          • ND52

            Because of course, where you live, lions are a huge issue right? Because it’s not like the people in africa are just screaming out for your help—-right?

          • Vicarious Fan

            I didn’t say I went hunting for Lions did I?
            But yes they do require the Lion population to be kept under control. just with any animal.

          • ND52

            @vicariousfan:disqus

            The only time population control is ever brought up in relation to sport hunting is when herbivores have grown out of control due to a lack of natural predators in the immediate area.

            Like lions for example.

          • Vicarious Fan

            what? no not at all. I think you need to do a little more research

          • ND52

            Just because you have a licence to shoot something doesn’t mean you’re helping the environment @vicariousfan:disqus

          • Vicarious Fan

            what are you talking about?

          • ND52

            @vicariousfan:disqus

            Just because the govt has issued one a licence to hunt an animal doesn’t mean that that particular species has exceeded it’s environment’s natural carrying capacity.

          • Vicarious Fan

            In this particular case it does. That is how they give out the licences to hunt the lions.

            In many cases actually that is. Deer, boars, aligators, and so on. That is why there is a hunting season and why there is a limit on how many you are allowed to hunt.

            This is pretty basic stuff i’m kind of surprised I have to teach it to you.

          • ND52

            Deer: natural predators all but wiped out by man in most of the United States.

            Boars: invasive species brought to N.America by man.

            Alligators: hunted primarily for their meat and skin. Hunted so often in the last century that they were listed as a protective species at one point by the federal govt.

            This is pretty basic stuff that even an elementary school kid would know.

            Next.

          • Mike

            So why are you blaming the hunters for this issue? Blame the government for not closing the hunting season. In Canada if they believe any species is indangered they will close the hunt for that season.
            Focus on complaining about the lack of awareness the government.

          • VulpineMac

            So you actually believe that “hunters” would recognize a ‘closed’ hunting season. I’ll grant you that the type who buy licenses would, but it wasn’t licensed hunters that killed off the American wolf population. It wasn’t licensed hunters that nearly killed off the alligator populations. I wasn’t licensed hunters that so devastated bear and panther populations here in the US. It wasn’t licensed hunters who so killed off the natural predators that now those licensed hunters HAVE to cull the deer populations.

          • Vicarious Fan

            we aren’t talking about poaching here we are talking about a licensed hunter.

          • ND52

            @disqus_JzzKiVSF0U:disqus Where have I “blamed” anyone in my posts? I’m simply pointed out the fallacies in other people’s arguments.

            Do want you want to in life. Do what makes you happy. Just don’t tell me you’re out helping mother nature when it’s plainly obvious that you’re out collecting trophies.

          • African Cheetah

            Most licences in Africa comes with a bribe. A little something under the table..

          • huntersarekillers

            That nonsence. If lion population is out of control, why would they need to breed them in captivity, just to hunt them. You know, the old “canned hunting” kettle of fish?

          • huntersarekillers

            How about keeping human population under control as well?

          • Mike Brown

            Actually we don’t because macro predators are more often than not obligatory carnivores.

            Massive FAIL. You really need to work on trying to present your anecdotal bullshit as more “fact-like”.

          • Vicarious Fan

            wait…. are you saying Lions aren’t carnivores?

          • Chilala Nsanzya

            African have been living in the wild with Lions, Elephants, Leopards, Rhinos for centuries, without population control.

          • Vicarious Fan

            ummm what? You think they live in peace and harmony with them? or do you think they hunt them themselves?

          • ND52

            @vicariousfan:disqus

            Without human population control is what @chilalansanzya:disqus meant.

            Everyone over the age of 5 knows what lions do to other animals in Africa. Let’s not be silly and act like we’re on talk radio.

          • Vicarious Fan

            yes Lions are natrual preditors and since humans have spread out and grown Lions become very dangerous when their population gets too high.

          • ND52

            When has living in Africa ever been safe @vicariousfan:disqus? And isn’t that an issue for Africans to decide among themselves? I just can’t see the need to call in a reality TV personality from across the ocean to deal with lions.

          • Mike Brown

            Awesome how my previous comment got deleted. I find it hilarious how you big bad woodsmen can’t take what you habitually dish out.

            ….and how exactly did you interpret “mostly obligate carnivores” with lions not being carnivores?

          • Vicarious Fan

            what are you talking about?

            Do you think I’m deleting your comments?

            Wait do you think i’m even a hunter?

          • African Cheetah

            Wow these people are weird.. They do not live in Africa.. They do not know Africa and there ways.. And they are arguing about something they do not know.. Animal control is needed, but not on endangered species as the lion. Not enough lions to control the other species like they us to. Leave endangered species alone and hunt that that is plenty. That’s my incite.. But what do I know.. I am just another person living in Africa.. We need help guys.. Please do not kill endangered species…

          • VulpineMac

            In a word, YES. Animals at least respect one another.

          • Vicarious Fan

            ummm animals can’t even grasp a concept as respect.

          • VulpineMac

            Boy, are YOU uninformed! Animals are far more intelligent than you give them credit for.

          • Vicarious Fan

            no it seems you are living in a dream land. Yes animals can communicate to each other but you honestly believe that they can grasp a concept such as respect???

            oh wait…. you’re a furry aren’t you…

          • VulpineMac

            Dream land? Not hardly. A lot of scientific study has been presented that shows many animals have a lot more respect for even animals of different species than mankind as a whole has of animals. Too bad you’re so egotistical to realize that.

          • Vicarious Fan

            no there aren’t any studies that say that. Respect is a highly complex concept that is far beyond anything an animal can understand.

            Animals are still ruled by instinct, something that is ruled by instinct can not grasp a concept as respect.

          • VulpineMac

            You’re proving yourself wrong by your very statement–as you obviously have NO respect for other people’s opinions. Or are you saying you are ruled by instinct?

            Do some research. Animals are not JUST ruled by instinct. They demonstrate intelligence on a daily basis by simply showing they can be taught AND can reason and deduce methods on their own without the need to make tools–though they have proven that ability too. Do you think someone just walked up and taught us how to use a club? Did someone walk up and teach us how to use a stick to catch food? What you assume is instinct is often a learned behavior and while I admit animals are far behind us on the intelligence scale, they are not “dumb creatures ruled by instinct.”

            Or maybe you weren’t aware of how one single fox got a pack of hunting dogs confiscated and their handlers arrested for ‘disturbing the peace’ in an affluent New Jersey neighborhood and just sat on a hilltop laughing at them during the arrest?

          • Vicarious Fan

            facepalm…. wow you have no clue to what you are talking about..

            Just because an animal is ruled by instinct doesn’t mean it can’t show intelligence. However an animal can not develop a concept such as respect.

            But I wouldn’t expect a furry to understand that.

            ROFL wait what… did you just claim a fox knew what it was doing and knew that the cops would arrest the guy??

          • VulpineMac

            Yes. Documented. Outdoor Life, September or October of ’83. Along with several other instances of Fox intelligence.
            The mere fact that you are so conceited as to believe animals can’t conceive of respect shows how little you really know about them.

          • Vicarious Fan

            … ok there furry I think you need to stay away from the fan fics here.

          • VulpineMac

            So you didn’t even try to search out the article I mentioned. Poor, prejudiced boy. Open your mind to the world around you and just try to see what you are missing. Trying to insult me is like rain rolling off a duck. It simply doesn’t stick because you don’t know HOW to make it stick; though I expect you to keep trying.

            Animals most definitely know how to express respect and love; and yes, they know how to express hate too. They also know how to recognize all of the above when they see it, too.

          • Vicarious Fan

            search for something you could have just linked?

            no i’m not trying to insult you i’m just pointing out that of course a furry would think animals are capable of a wide range of complex thought and emotions.

          • VulpineMac

            Considering there is no digital copy of the article–entitled “Woodland Wizards”–you would have to seek a paper copy. If you’re lucky, one of your local libraries MIGHT have a copy on microfilm.

          • Vicarious Fan

            omfg first you attack me for not looking for it then you say “oh yeah i forgot to mention the title of the article or the fact that there is no copy of it anywhere on the internet”

            Yeah thats an amazing reliable source.

          • VulpineMac

            [s] omfg! First you attack me for not telling you where to find it and then complain when I tell you HOW to find it![/s]
            Of course, had you looked first and actually said you couldn’t find it (I did tell you WHERE to look) then your complaint would have had much more impact.

          • SPARKY

            You are an uneducated and uninformed FOOL!!!!!!! You should by NO means ever think nor procreate. That more than hunting will be a disaster to mankind!!!!!!!!!

          • huntersarekillers

            Humans are definitely not more important than animals. We cannot survive as a species if something as tiny as bees disappear from this planet tomorrow. Humans need to stop overestimating their importance in the bigger sceme of things.

      • Kris

        The best part I like about your comment is “You also have to realize that there is a thing known as population control” should we consider Human population as well? then India and China could get some help from you and Melissa I guess

      • ND52

        @vicariousfan:disqus


        You also have to realize that there is a thing known as population control. If these animals aren’t hunted then they will grow wild and cause massive damage to crops and surrounding fields.

        Yeah because Africa needs white women from america to fly over and help them with population control. People like you are why people like me lobby for free birth control.

      • Lauretta

        That is the most stupid comment I have ever heard. Try to find a wild lion – not easy and definitely not a problem to crops in Africa. Get real and learn a little about what man has done to animals there. Rhino are extinct ?????? funny that. Definitely not in plague proportions – thanks to man!

        • Vicarious Fan

          I never said Lions were a problem to crops but left unchecked the lion population can be a problem to people who live there.

          Just like Coyote population can be a problem to those who live in Arizona, or Wolf population can be a real problem to those who live in Canada.

          • Alan Dean Foster

            Left unchecked, the African lion population could indeed be a problem to “people who live there”.
            The people who live there, however, kill any large predator that is unfortunate enough to stray outside the boundaries of a protected area. They will also bait to draw the predators (lions, leopards, wild dogs) outside the park or reserve boundary so they can kill them “legally”.
            I live in central Arizona. Coyotes walk by our front door regularly. They’re only a danger to poodles…they don’t bother our large dogs. We keep our cats inside. We also have foxes and bobcats around. They eat their natural prey…there are rabbits and ground squirrels in abundance. Wolves in Canada pose no problem to people.
            Where coyotes and/or wolves constitute a danger to ranchers’ stock, they can be legally “controlled”. Equating such healthy populations with those of endangered apex predators such as lions and leopards is facile and inaccurate.

          • Vicarious Fan

            oh cool anecdotal evidence that’s really useful in a discussion. Thanks for playing.

          • informedcitizens

            hmm your lucky where i live in maine there have even been cases of coyotes attacking people. including ripping apart a woman out jogging. they also regularly attack peoples animals. and for the sake of whats more “humane”, ever seen a coyote tearing apart a deer? i have. i imagine they prefer the quick well placed shot (what your attempting) over 20 minutes of a group of coyotes feasting on you alive as you scream. Its almost as if they are just torturing the deer. Anyways because of their large population and the problems they propose there is an open hunting season on coyotes pretty much all year, its one of the few animals that anything goes when hunting them. Baiting, night hunting, etc. I personally dont hunt things i cant eat so i dont partake but i understand why people do. while i doubt that lions are THAT much of a problem in Africa as coyotes are, they definitely can be a problem. ever seen ghost and the darkness? that was based on a true story and not much exaggerated.

          • Alan Dean Foster

            Thoughtful commentary. What is needed here, as with most overly-emotional reactions to hunting, is balance.
            Yesterday, coyotes took seven turkeys at a friend’s ranch. One could argue that the coyotes need to be eliminated, or the turkey compound needs to be restructured. Both approaches are supportable.
            The coyote is not an endangered apex predator in Arizona any more than it is in Maine. The lion in the Bachman shoot was raised for the express purpose of being killed. She was transported to the location (the reserve where she was doing most of her killing had no lions). To me, the manner of the killing had very little to do with honest hunting.
            Yes, of course I’ve seen Ghost and the Darkness. That was a long time ago…when there were actually wild lions in African, and a couple of hundred thousand more than there are now.
            Where do we draw the necessary lions? Tigers are far more endangered than lions, yet tigers in the Sunderbans (India and Bangladesh) are far more of a danger to people than lions in Africa. What is necessary to sustain a healthy genetic population?
            These are vital questions to which all answers are difficult.

          • informedcitizens

            honestly the way things are working right now in south africa has already proven itself. the hunting industry has grown tremendously there. (there are now over 10,000 conservationist hunting grounds which support a thriving hunting related tourism). Yet the populations of the animals they are hunting AND regulating have improved. Other countries have banned hunting altogether or banned trophy hunting and saw disastrous results. Hunting obviously is a huge part of human ancestry and i wouldnt doubt if the sport desire to hunt comes from something deep within us related to that. Some people love to hunt, some dont. I think the balance between the two has already been achieved.

          • Alan Dean Foster

            Today, from Zapiro: South Africa’s #1 political cartoonist.

            http://mg.co.za/cartoon/2013-11-21-melissa-bachman-and-canned-hunting/

      • Mike

        Well put!

      • VulpineMac

        On hunting, if you’re speaking of deer, I agree. But now we HAVE to hunt them because we killed off their natural predators. The lion is a predator, born and raised by its pride to hunt and eat the herbivores on the savannah. Killing a lion means that a number of herbivores DON’T get killed, which means they end up “causing massive damage to crops and surrounding fields.”

        Now, where is YOUR respect for nature? Hmmm?

      • African Cheetah

        Population control on endangered species???? Dud what are you thinking..

      • African Cheetah

        O ye… America has slaughter houses that cut the throat of there cattle… What??? That is torcher.. You shoot cattle not cut there throats.. That is suffering.. And then it is picked up by mettle arms wile it is still dying.. Now YOU think WE do it like that.. Get real.. Mad things happen in you country… Not ours..

      • ACEG

        “I would say hunting is far more respectful then getting it from a slaughter house.” – What makes you think that Vicarious? Where is the evidence to suggest this? Or is this just another ignorant excuse for someone who is trying to find any reason to justify getting an adrenaline rush from killing animals.

        “You also have to realize that there is a thing known as population control. If these animals aren’t hunted then they will grow wild and cause massive damage to crops and surrounding fields.” – Oh yes, so now you are arguing that hunting helps population control, whilst your fellow hunters argue that they help preserve the extinction of species by paying large sums of money for their hunt. Well which is it? Is there really so much wildlife on this planet that certain species e.g. lions need population control? Or again, is this just another lame reason you are using to justify the pleasure you get from the ‘hunt’?

        I put you in the same category as infomedcitizens. It would be good to have someone intelligent enter this discussion who enjoyed hunting wildlife and formulate a logical argument.

  • Master Bates

    I’m ok with it as long as food is not wasted …give to homeless etc. & not edagered or endagering a species.

    • informedcitizens

      the meat was given to local needy families. and a permit would not have been given had it been deemed a threat to the species.

      • Yeah right

        I’m sure needy families would prefer something from the store. Who are you to ease your conscience by forcing needy people to eat something foreign to them in the name of charity?

        • informedcitizens

          idk i suppose it would depend how health conscious they are. if it were me id prefer what is essentially an organic meat product over something from the store. but its local needy families in a place that apparently eats lions, so im sure its not all that foreign to them. it also doesnt matter to me personally if the lion was eaten or not, so the fact that the meat was donated does nothing for my conscious which needs no easing.

  • Aaron p Dyszelski

    I’m a hunter so Im all for mellissa, as every hunter should be, or any women thats ever been told they cant do what “real men” do!! We should all look up to her. And if you never have hunted be for, maybe you should try it, understand it. And untill then shut the Hell up, leave her alone, get a life,, ill KILL trophy animals with you all day mellissa.

    • alienz

      understand it? so you say that we must agree and understand with ADOLF HITLER because he killed almost all the jews on the planet earth, and why? for fun. Should we understand that to, or..?

    • Mike

      Yes, no doubt most hunters will back her, because you have very little concern for the longevity of the natural fauna. Because of people like her, there is an industry in South Africa which uses people who want to care for endangered animals to rear lions for trophy killings – usually they dope them up and put them in a controlled environment so all you have to do is line up the gun and pull the trigger – often in a cage! I have no idea how any of you can get a thrill from killing anything in such circumstances – because all it shows is that you are weak! Go into the wild with a pistol on your own and see how you fare against these predators.

      • Vicarious Fan

        Yeah… no this wasn’t an illegal hunting trip in Africa. This was allowed by the government as part of population control.

        I understand what you think happened but that is not the case here. There are parts of Africa where it is legal to hunt lions only when the population is getting out of hand which is the case here.

        This isn’t a case where she flew in and hunted a lion illegally. The lion was not drugged or caged.

        • Alan Dean Foster

          Canned hunt, with guide, on circumscribed reserve. Use of heavy tripod to support gun. Jury still out on whether lion was drugged or bait was employed.
          Not hunting.

          • Vicarious Fan

            yeah no that’s your opinion and not actually fact.

            Do you understand the difference between fact and opinion? Because due to your use of anecdotal evidence I would say you don’t.

          • Alan Dean Foster

            As the author of 120 books, including PREDATORS I HAVE KNOWN, as well as hundreds of other stories, articles, and columns, I would say that I do.
            The tripod is in the picture. Do you think her guides were unarmed? Based on the amount of time she spent on the trip and the number of animals she killed, I think it reasonable to assume vehicles and roads were involved.
            I’d ask her myself, but she’s gone completely silent.

          • Vicarious Fan

            then you are aware that Lions have killed over 550 people in the past 20 years many of witch were children

            Your assumptions are also wrong as hunting in Africa is actually fairly easy. all you need to do if find a water hole and sit and wait.

          • Alan Dean Foster

            I’ll accept your stat without checking it. That would be about 26 people per year, right? I’d bet far more have died from food poisoning (or lack of food) or falling in the shower. Or being hit by lightning.
            Yes, “hunting” at a water hole is easy. Way too easy. Part of my point. Even easier on a closed reserve.
            By the way, lions do not exist “naturally” on the Maroi Conservancy. Bachmann’s “trophy” had to be “facilitated” (i.e., imported from somewhere else). See the website “CrooksandLiars”, among others, for details.

          • Vicarious Fan

            …. so you are saying because more people die of food poisoning we should be ok with a lion killing 26 children a year… that’s some great thinking there

            You have no gone from anecdotal evidence to making false equivalences.

            How do you think predators hunt? PSSST here’s a hint they do it at watering holes or feeding grounds.

            btw I looked you up and i’m wondering if I read some of “ahem” books would I find a complete lack of basic understanding of science in them?

            btw I teach Physics.

          • Alan Dean Foster

            I believe your provided stat said that it’s all lions, in total, killing 26 people (not just children) per year. Not one lion killing two people (or children).
            It’s not “ok”. Anymore than it’s “ok” for sharks to kill people. Or electrical shorts.
            Of course you could eliminate both problems. Exterminate all the lions, all the sharks, and stop using electricity.
            I’ve been published in over fifty languages and won awards in Russia and Spain as well as the U.S. I’ve been on multiple best-seller lists many, many times. Decent enough for “ahem” books, I believe.
            Glad to hear you teach physics. Badly in need of good teachers. One of my novels features tangent branes as a plot device: think you might enjoy it.
            As for how predators hunt, you might try my non-fiction book PREDATORS I HAVE KNOWN. I dare say I’ve encounter (and videoed) somewhat more than you have.

          • Alan Dean Foster

            I’ll repeat this one more time, in the hope that repetition may have some effect.
            PREDATORS I HAVE KNOWN is non-fiction.
            I’ve watched lions feeding at night in Namibia, and during the day in South Africa. I watched them hunting in Tanzania. I’ve filmed tigers in India and feeding great white sharks in South Australia (which footage appeared on the BBC as well as U.S. television). I’ve gone swimming with giant otters in the Pantanal, dodged fer-de-lance in southeastern Peru, and been inches from an Isula nest (Isula make army ants look like sissies).
            “Vicarious” defines you. I wish you the very best trying to impart physics to texting seniors.

          • VulpineMac

            You are aware that people have killed far more than 550 lions in the past 20 years, aren’t you? Those deaths just don’t get reported as loudly as the stat you reference.

  • tarpon

    Hunting for traditional food or safety issues, if not then your a freak show, get over yourself. Growing up on a farm we protected our animals, never had any wild predators stealing our animals and if any would have tried we could manage on our own. So stop telling lies about predators, its just to keep you patrolling the woods. I know people that hunt responsibly, I don’t like deer so I don’t do it. We are not anti-hunters, we deserve a voice in these matters. We believe it or not have preserved and conserved by buying duck stamps, tags and many other items. We are sick of the freak shows though. Seems like all hunters get all crazy on people if you were raised a certain way and have beliefs differing from them. We are not against you. But stand up for what is ethical or your no real man.

    • Dywlf

      I seriously doubt you ever even seen a farm. Pet rabbit pens in the back yard don’t count.

  • Teton Tom

    These are the same rabid liberal terrorists who try to stop all logging and road projects. They would all riot and then starve if there were any crises that cut off their EBT cards or if their parents told them to move out. Too bad these people are duped by liberals using emotional lines like “trophy hunter” to stir people up. These Alaskan reality shows are all the rage right now and it was only a matter of time before liberals take offense at hunting even in Alaska.

  • Teton Tom

    Threatening to murder someone because they hunt should have that person arrested for a felony and they should have a few years in prison, period. Many states have terrorist threat laws in place for this reason. These type of threats from liberal extremists are not uncommon.

  • JEAN DELORME

    yep this a message to all the anti -hunter i shoot i kill the animal fall no suffering go on site in frence VOIR UN ABATOIR the animal suspended by the back leg and twist of pain and tell me what is more human thank you

    • Alan Dean Foster

      Et bien sûr vous mangez tout ce que vous tuez

  • James

    How is trophy hunting aquainted with farming? One is for ego, the other is for survival. Pretty ridiculous comparison right there…

  • mikeycommish

    Melissa, you are a cruel, heartless, opportunistic sniper, to shoot such a magnificent animal with a high powered rifle, when your life is in no danger, for what! I respect hunters, but this act is heartless, try and kill a crocodile with an axe or even a bow and arrow, it doesn’t happen as you would be at risk, shame on you!

  • Lucas E Maura Jezek

    I hope a Lion eat you,bitch!

  • Ricardo Paradas

    Bitch,puta safada,vagabunda!

    • Dywlf

      Wow, what a classless douche bag.

  • Guest

    She deserves a psychopath hunting her!

  • Ricardo Paradas

    We are the 21st century and still have people like that!Check how many animals she killed with no reason http://www.melissabachman.com.

  • Guest

    where country is she from ?

  • John Smith

    It is well known that for rich sport hunters that lions or other animals deemed to be exciting to shoot are not in fact wild animals but captured and tranquilised animals which are then shot under the pretence that they have been tracked down, stalked and killed.

    Melissa Bachman probably paid in the region of $50,000 to do this. So that she can be photographed and boast about her lame hunting activities online.

    Not only has she killed an endangered animal but killing the lion that she did will affect the whole family structure around that one animal. It is one more lion that will not be able to breed. This will make lions even more endangered than they already are.

    Where would she draw the line on killing an endangered animal? If there were seven lions left in the world would she feel that it is OK to kill one on the basis that there would be six left?

    She probably would.

  • Admir Zoto

    TOO MUCH TALK FOR NOTHING. WHAT DID OUR TALK DO TO HER? she should die. thats the best way to solve this out. kill this monster lady. someone pls KILL HER.

  • Kelly the animal lover,,,,

    If we don’t kill the animals how are we going to get those beautiful rugs in front of the fireplace and all my beautiful warm and cozy fur coats. Hunt On America!!!!!!!

  • hedwig

    What a miserable waste of a human being that woman is. I can’t imagine that she even has a heart.

  • CBK

    We have only a limited amount of animals on the earth and each and every day more and more animals are endangered and threaten by man as the predator. When all the animals are gone we will follow…

    • Dywlf

      Not to worry, as long as human roam the earth the lowest animal breed of limited intelligence will still be here.

  • Dywlf

    Over the years I have seen national geographic slide into it’s rabid liberal philosphy. In other words into the world of closed minded sanctimonious twits that should scare rational people. I for one dropped national geographic from my line up after their hillary clinton fluff piece. I guess change.org since their princesses here to talk smack, this being a hunting mag and all.

    • Alan Dean Foster

      Seriously? Have you watched the Nat Geo channel lately? Death and destruction are the focus of half the shows. I suspect because the Discovery Channel was killing them in the ratings.

  • melissa

    In all the pictures you can see a stupid specimen of anthropomorphic species.

  • melissa

    In all the pictures you can see two specimen of different species. The one lying down is the more intelligent.

  • Media disgusted

    For ALL you humans in this world that are “bashing” a woman for killing animals (wild or domestic) WHY oh WHY aren’t you bashing ALL the other people who are paying thousands of dollars for the thrill of the hunt to do the same thing this public figure is doing?? This has been going on for hundreds/thousands of years by men, and you don’t see or hear as much of the mindless “bashing” for doing the same thing!! Are you all true vegetarians??? Get over the fact that woman can do something MEN can do, just as well….I can bet you are all hunters of some kind!!!!!

    • Alan Dean Foster

      You are quite right. Ignorance and amorality are not gender specific.

    • Laura Szykula-Smith

      dont speak for us all. i “bash” all trophy killers, on the sites to book the trips as well. this POS is a “”celebrity” so to speak. so she will be more scrutinized. wow. i think the term DUHHHH applies here. and yes, i am a vegetarian. so dont go to that lame line. and you can be against trophy hunting and eat meat. its not a conflict of interest. you have no brain.

  • Jane Grant

    She took down her Google + page as well. She had one with only a couple of hundred followers. Her supporters have managed to get a FB page with 10,000+ supporters who claim that hunting and killing big lions like this is actually a way of animal conservation. Actually, it is a poor excuse to get cheap and sick thrills for killing animals like this. I went to the page and posted this link from National Geographic and they refused to leave it up. Cowards, all of them:

    To all lion killers, this is the way to conserve:

    https://donate.nationalgeographic.org/SSLPage.aspx?pid=1196

  • Marjo Aho

    Nobody needs to shoot crocodiles of lions for meat. Anyone who kills animals, (especially a species that there are only about 36 000 left of in the entire world) for enjoyment t is perversely mentally ill. Melissa Bachman represents the lowest, most pathetic, most spineless of humankind. She is an embarrassment for the USA.

  • tomorlosky

    I thought the Liberals were too busy destroying the United States to be concerned about big game hunts that generate huge amounts of money and have been going on for ages. Clueless Liberals. A definite waste of flesh and bones.

  • Damian

    I think this comes mostly because she is a very attractive female. A lot of hunters are out there, also hunting just for trophies. But most of them are male and less attractive. So I think this is mostly because she irritates people a lot with what she does and how she looks.

    But anyway, I am not a friend of hunting, I am a vegetarian. So from this side I think it is a good decision not to show trophy hunts in TV.

  • Solo yo

    You can’t compare some angry comments with that. Many people say things when they’re mad, that doesn’t mean they actually do it, unlike that woman who actually go t kill an animal just because she’s bored

  • Laura Szykula-Smith

    SHE GOT WHAT SHE DESERVED. hunting for anything BUT food and survival is cruel and unnecessary. if you have to do this to feel like a real man, or tough woman apparently you are missing a core piece of humanity. be like other loser men, go buy a big car.

  • David Hereaux

    The time for change is upon us and I suggest you all do some heavy soul searching and realise that ALL animals have feelings, just like you. Cow, deer, chicken, pig, sheep, ETC. are just like your cat, dog, bunny, three year old human child. Hunters are killing the ones I love. I would bet money, they wouldn’t cry as much as I do, if someone were to hunt down their loved ones. I’m so sick of the human virus torturing and murdering animals for greed and ignorance. The best I can do in life is cry daily and post the truth about how eating meat and killing animals, FOR ANY REASON, is no different than molesting little kids. Wake up! You are very naive if you don’t understand the connection. I was, once. I will die of starvation before I eat an animal again, because I know it’s sick and evil. If there’s a god, when I go to get judged, I’m going to torture and kill him, take control, fix this joke of a planet, then go straight to hell where I belong for the wrongs I’ve done in this world. I’m sure I’ll see most of you there. I’m also sure you won’t give a shit as long as you are getting what you want, here and now. It’s all good because I can feel in my soul that the end of the world is near. I just hope it happens before the human virus finds another planet with poor beings like animals to torture and eat for pleasure. PS, hunters, meat eaters, crush freaks, rapists and child molesters, GO FUCK YOURSELF!

  • CMav

    People who hunt simply to kill are totally out of touch with nature and the environment. They delude themselves into thinking that they are “conservationists,” but the simple fact is that they have an urge to feel powerful by spilling the blood of creatures that cannot defend themselves. This is the same kind of cowardice that terrorists exhibit when they target innocent people. If they want real sport, let hunters hunt each other. That’s a level playing field.

  • budpg

    You wildlife killers have no shame. The South African Government say’s they have no money to combat poaching in South Africa. Why is that? With all those hunter conservation dollars sloshing around… One would think. The reason is very simple. There are more lions bred for the bullet than wild lions….so- these fake conservationist hunters from Safari Club can dominate and exploit “wild” Africa. Have a guaranteed trophy. Hand reared tame lions….who would know right? You are not fooling anyone. These lions are canned. After they are shot in cold blood these vampire farm owners sell the lion bone to the Chinese. As Matthew scully writes about safari club in his book dominion- “safari club practices socially conscious sadism. Like cannibals using a napkin and not taking the last portion. This is all about greed and human exploitation. SHAME

  • budpg

    Reading the comments from marginally illiterate SLOB hunters is a riot. You people realize that these lion breeders/farmers raise these lions to be shot right? Then they maximize their profit and sell the lion bone to the Chinese. The “hunters” get their trophy. The outfitter keeps all the profit… Meanwhile- there is a free for all on the wild lion population. This is what happens when you allow trophy hunters to assign wildlife value…..MS Bachman works for a gun manufacturer. The NRA like SCI could care less about conservation

  • Guest

    Interesting, some of the comments found here, e.g., V…s Fan aka Vacuous Fake makes some specious statements, typical of that type of poster. It’s really sad that there are those who argue in favor of killing animals for reasons of trophy or ego only which really is murder in cold blood IMO.

  • OXO

    I eat meat, but my pork, chicken and beef is (Hopefully) killed quickly, not spiked with an high powered arrow then the poor beast runs for a couple of miles then drops dead due to shock or lack of blood. This is what i am opposed to, the cruelty! Nobody would do that to there family pet, never mind a wild animal.

  • Tora

    I don’t think I have a look smug enough for all you who support this heartless murderer

  • Fenria

    You cannot claim to care about the conservation of something if your only intention in that conservation is to kill it.

  • Higgy’s View

    Ever considered whether hunting is wrong? I don’t eat meat. I use recycled leather sometimes because the plastic and petroleum products are environmental nightmares. My father is a butcher, hunter… Most hunters cant hit the broad side of a barn and cause suffering. The impact of slaughter house farming is infinitely worse, cruel, trucking, painful handling, ruined earth and wasted space on crap crops for feed and overuse of chemicals etc etc. Hunting is for little people wanting power. This Melissa chick is a fool. Hunting lions is not a sport, its target practice at best. I sincerely hope that she and her like minded morons are given the gift of enlightenment and allowed to suffer the knowledge of their stupidity. Do something that actually makes a difference with your Tim and resources. You really are better that this.

  • Antonio Lapolli

    This Melissa is a very sick person, killing animals and then taking photos with them smilling. Animals have sacred souls as we humans have. Remember that just two centuries ago people from África were considered animals by europeans,

  • neonblade

    A good read, agree with many, if not all of the points made
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  • http://www.facebook.com/shane.liddell1 Shane Liddell

    Let me give you some facts Ben, Open your eyes and stop showing your one sided ignorance. Both sides have been behaving this way since the beginning. Persoanally, I have recieved death threats among other thngs from the very same hunters you obviously support. There have been many instances on Facebook where hunters have created pages to purposefully harrass and degrade people. Your very own hypocritical views show either complete ignorance to this or a baised choice not to mention it. You call anti hunters extreme but fail to see to what extent hunters will go to protec their sport. Tara Andvik's story is one of many. I also assume you condone Mellisa's unlawful Alligator hunts too? As the author of this page surely you should remain neutral on these isues and open minded to the real facts of what goes on out there instead of chastising one side.
    http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/55213/

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