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The Truth About Lions, Melissa Bachman and the Anti-Hunting Agenda

by Ben O'Brien   |  November 21st, 2013 525

Unlike the many articles, blog posts, TV segments and tweets in the last week chastising or otherwise damning Melissa Bachman’s lion hunt and the subsequent photos she shared of her kill, this article will contain only facts.

No conjecture based on misguided sensationalist ideals or ignorant emotional outcries. Not even a little grandstanding or pointless blithering meant to adjust our collective moral compass. No ironic photos with cartoon lions or scathing quotes from celebrities about how Bachman’s photo made them oh so sick to their stomachs.

There’s nothing of that sort to see here, folks. I’ve attempted to distill the anti-Bachman, anti-hunting, anti-whatever’s—there’s over 400,000 people who’ve signed a petition on Change.org—social media arguments into three points, and answer each one of those with facts and historical perspective. Hopefully this can start an educated conversation not only about Bachman herself, but Africa, hunting and conservation. Of course, if you’re one of those self-righteous loudmouths seemingly impervious to reason, just skip to the comments and start spouting.

Argument No. 1: The Smile
Sensationalist headlines like “Smiling Hunter’s Dead Lion Photo Highlights Big Cats’ Plight,” are circling the Web like mad. While some attempt to bring up solid, debatable points, others hone in on the mere fact that Bachman was sporting a smile as she showed off her kill.

To focus on the smile is to bring this issue to the lowest common denominator. As hunters, we celebrate our kills in many different ways—the fact that we cheese for the camera is only a byproduct of a successful hunt, not indicative of the reason for hunting. Melissa Bachman is a lifelong hunter who began her journey at an early age with her family. She graduated with honors and a double major in TV broadcasting and Spanish from St. Cloud State University, shortly after starting her career as a TV intern.

“Growing up, my brother and I had little bows to practice when mom and dad shot. Not only was it a lot of fun, but it gave us one more activity to do together as a family,” Bachman once wrote for this website.

The portrayal of her as anything but a conscientious outdoorswoman simply has no factual basis. The only evidence that she’s a “blood-thirsty murderer” is derived from misconceptions and semantics. Terms like “deadly passion,” “trophy” and even a few exclamation points at the end of her tweets are turned into damning evidence that she hunts and kills innocent animals for no good reason at all—or worse, that she’s done something illegal. Dig deeper in Bachman’s profile, you’ll find much more than meets the eye—including zero citations or violations related to hunting or outdoor activities.

Argument No. 2: Hunting for Pure Sport
Travel down to the next level of opposition to Bachman’s African safari and you’ll find the “sport hunting is sick, cruel and heartless” argument. Somewhere baked into this equation is the term “trophy hunting,” which is meant to denote a hunter that pursues and kills animals purely to collect an ego-laden token of victory.

“Melissa Bachman has made a career out of hunting wildlife, for pure sport,” writes the author of the now infamous Change.org petition. Here’s the bottom line: Only Bachman can speak to the exact motivation for her pursuits. I can only provide what we know about her past as empirical evidence of the kind of person she is off camera.

Beyond that, we can ask ourselves if what she did in Africa qualifies as “sport hunting” and what that term really means.

Let’s discuss where Bachman was hunting: the Maroi Conservancy. Conservancies can be loosely defined as a bunch of bordering properties that have agreed to remove all interior game fences, leaving only one big, contiguous fence surrounding all the land. According to Maroi, the area hunted here is approximately 8,500 hectacres, which translates to 21,000 acres or 32 square miles. The conservancy began as a family farm of about 900 irrigated acres.

Prior to becoming a game operation, poaching was common on the crop fields and cattle lands. Nowadays, the profitable conservancy contains a variety of huntable species, and game meat from successful hunts is distributed to the local community to discourage poaching.

“Funds generated from hunting go towards fixing the border fence that was washed away in the 2013 floods and combating poaching,” said a post on the Maroi Facebook page.

Maroi is only a small part of a burgeoning game farm enterprise in South Africa. An enterprise that was created to help aid the wildlife population, conserve habitat, deter poachers and bring in revenue to local economies. In 1964 only three game farms existed in South Africa holding 575,000 game animals, reports the Professional Hunters Association of South Africa.

As the groundwork was laid for more game farms wildlife became more valuable, “creating a direct incentive to purchase, own, protect and conserve it.” Today those early efforts have exploded into an over $85 million enterprise that is home to 20 million head of game on 40 million acres. The industry employs 100,000 people and owns three times more land than all the state-owned parks and reserves combined.

“We have hunters from all over the world and all game hunting is done ethically on Maroi as per guidelines from Nature Conservation,” the Maroi Facebook post said.

What about the lion hunting experience in South Africa behind high fence?

“When the hunt is conducted properly and within the scope of South African law it is actually an acceptable hunting experience…and in many ways is more dangerous than hunting a wild lion because these lions have no fear of man, only contempt,” HUNTING’s Executive Field Editor and Africa hunting icon Craig Boddington said. “Existing laws include habituation for specific periods of time, varying with province but generally several months. Laws also forbid baiting and use of vehicle, so these lions are hunted the old-fashioned way, on foot by tracking.”

So, we can now circle back to Bachman. Even if—and we aren’t saying she did—she traveled to Africa to hunt purely for blood thirst and her trophy collection, the end result of that hunt would still be a part of the benefits listed above. Whether she went there with bad intentions, the result of her hunt was beneficial to the land on which she hunted. Hunting creates value, value leads to conservation, and conservation leads to the propagation of wild game populations. Bottom line.

Argument No. 3: The “Endangered Lion” and the Culture of Conservation
Dig to the deepest levels of vitriol and we find the notion that hunting has a negative effect on Africa and its wildlife—especially the lion.

We’ve covered some of the facts regarding game farms as a whole, but not this species in particular. For whatever reason, this has struck a nerve with anti-hunting activists.

Jeffrey Flocken of the International Fund for Animal Welfare wrote the following for the Huffington Post:

“With as few as 32,000 lions remaining in the wild, the once ubiquitous animals are rapidly disappearing from the African landscape. Habitat loss and human-wildlife conflict are the primary reasons, but trophy hunting is responsible for the slaughter of about 600 of the animals each year.

“The African lion is a species that is experiencing a downward spiral toward extinction…We hope that Americans will speak up for lions and let the U.S. government know that lions should be conserved and protected—not shot for fun.”

This is where the facts and Mr. Flocken part ways. Hunting is the most powerful tool to conserve and protect the lion population as a whole. The evidence for this is impossible, even for Flocken, to ignore.

Just look at the lion populations in states where hunting has been banned. Local farmers and cattlemen use deadly poison and snares to kill lions in mass in order to protect their land and livelihood. Cohabitation becomes increasingly difficult and expensive, further providing a disincentive for these areas to foster a healthy population. Even Flocken says “Habitat loss and human-wildlife conflict are the primary reasons” for the decline in lion populations.

The alternative being sought in South Africa is not to ban hunting, but to promote it through adaptive management in which governments set regulations that are non-detrimental to the health and survival of the game species—all the while these regulated hunts bring in valuable dollars to the local economy.

A 2012 study compiled by a non-profit group acknowledges a potential negative effect of trophy hunting on lions, but also examines the cause and effect should it be banned.

“There is increasing scrutiny on the conservation status of African lions Panthera leo. Although few reliable data exist, it is suspected that the continental lion population has declined by at least 30 percent in recent decades, while the species’ geographic range has shrunk by as much as 82 percent. Key causes for the decline include conflict with pastoralists over livestock, habitat fragmentation, and the loss of available wild prey. Commercial trophy hunting of lions represents an additional potential threat (or opportunity, depending on how it is managed).”

This idea falls under the “saving lions by killing them” mantra that so many conservationists have adopted. Just take a look at a recent op-ed from Alexander N. Songorwa, director of wildlife for the Tanzanian Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism, in the New York Times.

Songorwa makes the most relevant case for lion hunting I’ve read by far. He ends with a powerful statement:

“If lions are listed by the United States as an endangered species, American hunters may choose to hunt other prized species outside of Africa or simply not hunt at all. This would add further strain to our already limited budgets, undo the progress we’ve made, and undermine our ability to conserve not only our lions but all of our wildlife.”

Hunting in this case equals progress on many fronts, and for ignorance to be damning it is simply a shame for Africa, the lion and, well, the whole freaking Internet.

Final Thoughts
There you have it—unadulterated facts. If managed correctly, hunting is a solution for the lion and Africa, not the problem. Which certainly for us, underlines the fact that the Melissa Bachman controversy is only an emotive response driven by a small group of individuals that move to sensationalize hunting, strip it down to its lowest common denominator and force hatred upon the people who are a part of the hunting tradition. Facts be damned.

  • Justin Mayer

    Very good article. Hopefully people will actually read it with an open mind.

    • Ben O’Brien

      Open minds are hard to come by. Thanks, Justin. Pass along the article.

    • Annie

      I agree completely Justin

    • African Cheetah

      Here is an open mind for you. Do you live in Africa…..????

      • Justin Mayer

        My last semester of college I studied and lived in South Africa for 6 months studying biology. So yeah I know a thing or two about Africa. If you actually live in Africa I would hope that you would know more about your own home. Unless your just a fake.

        • African Cheetah

          Only six month.. You have got to be kidding me.. And now you know everything.. And no I am not a fake.. And ya broer I know allot more than you do..

          • African Cheetah

            But then again.. Woman do not thing like men..

          • African Cheetah

            But I do like the way you think about hunting.. It is survival..

          • African Cheetah

            But I still do not like the idea of hunting endangered species.. Let them rest for a wile. Multiply you know.. then you can come and hunt.. If you hunt like a real hunter.

          • Justin Mayer

            I am not a broer. And six months is a hell of alot longer than if I never set foot in Africa .Did I say I know everything? What makes you the lion expert? What credibility do you have at all? It sounds like you have never hunted a day in your life. So you know nothing about it. If you eat meat and are against hunting then your the biggest hypocrite ever. Where do you think all the meat in your grocery store comes from? Slaughtered animals in factories where they never had a chance. It’s your government that allows people to hunt lions, why don’t you go bitch to them instead of filling this comment section with your useless words.

          • African Cheetah

            I just said that.. Didn’t you read my other comments.. on other peoples comments.. The word corruptions is big in Africa.. And the hunters that wants to hunt these endangered species get what thy want.. So you understand Afrikaans.. So you were her.. Why did you not pay attention.

          • African Cheetah

            Ooooops sorry my mistake. To pay attention is not men’s big thing.. Us women have to do it for you..

          • Justin Mayer

            I have more important things to do than read all of your replies to other people’s comments.

            Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S®4

            ——– Original message ——–

          • Wolfie Sab

            I love your comment. You were here. Why did you not pay attention?. Bravo! :)

          • African Cheetah

            :-D And if he really knew the Afrikaans language he would have known “broer” means brother. :-D :-D :-D “Boer” means farmer..

          • Justin Mayer

            And I’m niether. Good one.

          • African Cheetah

            :-D :-D :-D

          • Wolfie Sab

            Omg. Defensive much? So what if she hasn’t hunted a day in her life? She is African and lived in Africa all her life. What’s to know about trophy hunting, besides having a desire to kill for “sport”?

          • Justin Mayer

            What’s your point of joining this? Just to argue with people for no reason? Seeing that your a vegan, I understand your problem in life. Your an idiot and you just can’t help it.

          • Wolfie Sab

            yeah so’s your mom! No seriously though you want to hug a bunny too really don’t you? I thoroughly recommend it. It’s very therapeutic.

        • Wolfie Sab

          Such arrogance! How dare you suggest that you know more about a country after 6 months than someone who has lived there all their life. You must be American.

  • Aaron

    Tis the liberal mindset that “tolerance” is
    only for those who think like them… the liberal cannot bear to fathom a
    world wherein most people possess
    opposing or different world views, religions, creeds, faiths, moral
    codes or lifestyles. To the liberal, Liberty and Freedom only applies to
    THEIR agenda and not to ALL Americans/citizens of Earth; they would
    sooner impose their desires and ideology on you and subjugate their
    peers rather than nourish unity and acknowledge and celebrate our
    Freedom by Natural Law to live as We please. Ironically the dialogue of
    the liberal most often espouses hatred for views different from their
    own and looks down upon all those who differ in mind from them with
    disdain and as though those people are uneducated and unenlightened as
    the so often purports him/herself to be. That THEIR way of thinking is
    the only and RIGHT way. This young woman has the right to have hunted
    this lion, it was LEGALLY taken. It is funny how the liberal uses their
    rights to free speech to try to limit the rights of others. It is so
    often the case. It is abhorrent, unacceptable and not in accordance with
    that right guaranteed by the US Constitution. And for those in South
    Africa which believe they should so vehemently voice their OPINION about
    the morality or legality of this hunt, they should petition THEIR
    GOVERNMENT which supports legal hunting of big game, big predators etc.
    Opinions are not fact. The liberal supposes that the death of one lion
    is murder and outrage, I say unto you then… what is the
    slaughter/sincere murder of millions of innocent infants each year?! A
    lion has more rights than the child within a womb of two human beings
    who could not restrain their own teenage urges to fornicate outside of
    the legal and spiritual bond of marriage?!!! For the liberal human
    sacrifice is acceptable, but freedom of others to live as they please is
    not… Semper Fidelis! God, Country Corps!

    • cmrosko

      Has nothing to do with liberal vs conservative politics.

      • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

        I am a conservative and I agree with this. Plenty of republicans and democrats that both hunt and own guns. Its why Obama little gun control bills failed this year. Miserably at that.

      • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

        but he does have it correct to say “liberal ” mindset. The majority of anti-hunting types in this country are very liberal. Sorry but that’s just the truth.

        • Papermooner

          Yeah cause we’re the only ones who have graduated and evolved from a tiny little flaccid white man dick mentality that needs to hunt to feel “manly” and “superior” to other creatures. Hunters are just assholes. Period.

        • Aaron

          You do realize that you have actually just supported everything I said by so blatantly responding in such a childish manner. Thank you for taking the time to support my statements, your participation is appreciated.

      • Willem Frost

        There are hunters who are conservative whilst others are liberal. The great president Roosevelt was democrat, if I have it correct, but I do not know how liberal his world views were. Not a particularly good hunter, but a great conservationist which is what you would expect from a committed hunter.
        But that is not the point. Point is that MOST hunters seem to be conservative people, whilst MOST anti-hunters are liberal bunny-huggers who are not in touch with the natural world. If you look at the comments by the antis in the social media you will see a lot of the intolerance and arrogance that Aaron is talking about. The behaviour of some them is simply shocking/disgusting.

        • Wolfie Sab

          Not as shocking or as disgusting as killing wild animals for some sort of sick sadistic pleasure. The rate you bunch of wankers are going they won’t be much of the natural world left to get in touch with.

          Anyway what’s wrong with wanting to hug bunnies? They’re very cuddly.

          Why do you lot have to be such macho dicks? Is it a some sort of overcompensation thing? I mean seriously you need to get in touch with your feminine side.

    • Lincoln Rohn

      OMG Marine!! This is the most incredible thing I have ever read and are the words I have been searching for fore years to explain a liberal. Simply put, you nailed it. I am shacking my head in awe of this post. Your explanation of a liberal is so spot on it is amazing!
      Thank You for Service to this Great Land!
      Semper Fidelis Marine! God Speed to you!

    • raven_us

      “Tis the liberal mindset that “tolerance” is only for those who think like them..”

      Call them what you want to, liberal, left, whatever but all it boils down to is people who just don’t have much tolerance for the population of dumbasses. Simple. as. that.

    • African Cheetah

      We deal with lions that slaughter humans. I also have a family member that was eaten by a lion, but we dealt with the lion and we dealt with the fact that we are in there domain and will be eaten if we do not watch out. So does the natives know about this. I mean…… dud this is Africa…. And ya, our GOVERMENT support it.. Do you know the word corruption.. We have a lot of it.. They all want to be rich and you are the ones that is helping them to become rich that way.. Don’t believe me.. Come live here for a few years then we will talk again.

    • Aaron

      You must certainly be aware that you only supported everything I just said with the stroke of a few keys…. Intolerance, unable to cope with opinions differing from your own, full of hate and lending themselves only to hateful speech….. Thanks for your support…

      • Wolfie Sab

        pot, kettle black.

    • Aaron

      Awww. Look how mad you are. Again, another who stopped by only to support everything I stated above. Your ignorance, intolerance, hatred for all who differ in ideology from their own, imprudence, vindictive demeanor, inability to cope with differing world views. You’re quite the enlightened individual aren’t you? Your knee-jerk reaction to my statement is death? Sir, you have a severe mental disorder and don’t even realize it. That is EXTREMELY unhealthy thought and is scientifically and medically supported to be deadly to the rest of your body as well as mind. It is severely damaging to continuity of healthy psyche. Your “enlightened” liberal diction effuses hatred and ignorance and lack of capacity for intelligent thought. Every negative response I have gotten has been just like yours. It’s really embarrassing for you all.

    • Wolfie Sab

      You know what? I was going to post a serious reply to your comment without sarcasm or ridicule. I did get halfway through it but your attitude and hypocrisy got the better of me so I gave up. That plus the fact that I’ve had a few beers while I was trying to fathom your reasoning or lack thereof and thought, fuck it. It’s just another gung ho fuckwit yank spouting off.

      Nil illegitamae Carburundum! Vegetable rights and peace!

    • African Cheetah

      Well Shakespeare.. Some of these people, natives you talk about, do not take a women before she has not conceived… That is the way they know that there wife is not baron, as you might say… It is there way, there belief.. The way of the tribe. They believe in tradition. But that said.. Why don’t you come and try to get that idea out of there heads… We have tried, for centuries, did not work.. And well we believe all should be protected, animals to.. What’s wrong with that..

  • Eleyse

    No animal has rights period, including us, that’s a man made concept and you may be surprised to hear that we neither created the world or wrote the rules.

  • Floss.

    At the beginning of the article you proclaimed that you were going to write only facts.

    • Ben O’Brien

      What wasn’t factual?

  • Ryan

    If this is such a positive activity why hasn’t she made any public comments about her immense bravery.

    • David Smith

      This comment makes no sense whatsoever.

      • Ryan

        Can you not read, what are you not understanding? Killing animals for anything is wrong, but most meat eaters will die of cancer so it all evens out in the end!

        • Lawson

          All game meats are 100% organic, lean, low in cherlesterol. Unlike farm/Ranch raised animals where they can be injected with hormones and all kinds of crap. Wild Game is a healthy alternatrive to comercial beef.pork, chicken or what have you. And yes! Even Lion meat! Lion in not much different than pork..

          • Anonymous

            Actually lion meat can have many parasites and indeed can be extremely dangerous to the human body. They are a wild animal and they eat other wild animals, and not to mention they’re in an area that has many extremely deadly diseases.

          • Wolfie Sab

            We are not arguing the point of killing for food. Those in opposition (including myself) on this thread are opposed to hunting primarily for “sport”.

            There is a whole world of difference between subsistence hunting and killing animals for the fun of killing.

        • Ben O’Brien

          What about animals that kill other animals?

          • Wolfie Sab

            Do non-human animals kill other non-human animals for sport or brag about their kills? Or for that matter, do they make rugs out of their skins or adorn their homes by putting the carcasses on display so they can gloat over them?

        • David Smith

          Oh, I can read, Ryan. But perhaps you are just better at comprehending the ridiculous than I am. The statement id ridiculous because it assumes, without any basis for the assumption, that she, one, feels the need to justify or publicly make any pronouncements beyond what she already has, and two, that she is filled with “immense bravery”, again without any evidence to suggest that that is a feeling she harbors. Assumptions, hyperbole and the ability to read another person’s inner thoughts are apparently your strengths, but they are not mine.

    • VA_Mom

      Because it was a canned hunt where she was never in any danger. That is what the Maroi ranch does. It is like those ranches in Texas where they put zebra and giraffe’s in a pasture and “big game hunters” stand at the fence and shoot them.

      • Ben O’Brien

        Are you a vegan?

        • Wolfie Sab

          I am! Vegan militant antis-speciesist! Yay go me! ;)

      • Shaun En Wendy Abraham

        Go to the zoo and climb into the lion enclosure and see if there is any danger there. A wild animal is always a wild animal and always dangerous. What do you really know about canned hunting?

    • Ben O’Brien

      I would be less worried about her lack of public comment and more worried about the flood of death threats and hate-mongering on the other side. The second is more alarming.

      • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

        Exactly Ben.

  • Kirstyn

    I support her 100 percent. Screw people that are anti-hunters.

  • David

    Of course there are ethical arguments opposing your opinion. Well, unless you are an ignorant something-or-other, then I am sure you’ll dismiss anything that doesn’t agree with your self-righteous opinion of yourself.

    • African Cheetah

      David, dud.. 99.9% of Africans eat meat to survive. How are we going to survive if we don’t.

      • Educate Yourself

        OMG – get a grip. Melissa’s situation had nothing to do with meat. Read the posts above. It only had to do with gunning down a tame lion for the sole purpose of getting a trophy to put on her wall.
        Ever heard of canned hunting? Its not really hunting; its just open fire on a captive animal who is used to humans (like a pet, so to speak).

        • African Cheetah

          Well Educate Yourself, we were talking about people that is totally against Hunting.. What she did, I do not like.. Because she was after ONE OF THE BIG FIVE. “I WANT ONE”.. If Africa’s big five are gone, what, will you still want to se Africa… Or just read all about it.. No, tourism would not exist than.. But that is not the worst, if the economy gets a dive and people suffers. Would you take a quack tore to Africa, no…. Tourism and hunting would be of… I just hope there are enough animals left to feed Africa’s hungry people then.. We all hunt to eat.. Not for trophies.. And the lion, bucks and all of them are important.. And so by the way, some African tribes eat carnivorous animals.. Its there way, there beliefs. They believe if they eat lion good things will happen, nature wise, like rain and plenty of food and the stuff.

  • dieselmech

    Genesis 27:3 Now then, take your weapons, your quiver and your bow, and go out to the field and hunt game for me.
    Genesis 9:2-3…God tells Noah, after the fall of man and the flood, to
    further multiply and fill the earth. God placed the animals in
    Noah’s/Man’s control/power. “All the wild animals, large and small, and
    the birds and fish will be afraid of you…I have given them to you as
    food, just as I have given you grain and vegetables.”

    • Kirstyn

      I am not a Christian but I can’t agree with this more.

      • African Cheetah

        Ya I mean Darin Davis dud. He gave it for free.. Look after it..

    • Thomas

      Please don’t use Fairy Tales as an argument.

      • Guest

        Might as well pop that itty out of your mouth and open your eyes.

        • Thomas

          Open my eyes to what?

    • Sammi

      It also says that you should have slaves, and stone your wife and children for disobedience. Did you want to go back to that too????

      • Darin Davis

        Old Testament there sunshine. Know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

        • Colin Cormier

          Ten commandment derive from the Old Testament too. I bet you abide by those right? know what you are talking about too. sunshine

          • Darin Davis

            Yeah punkin I do. Key word “derive”. Old Testament is an old covenant. When Jesus died on the cross in the New Testament started the new covenant. Try again or keep drinking the “nothing to see here, move along” kool aide.

          • Josie White
          • Colin Cormier

            Old Testament is the original. cant pick and choose. you either believe it all or you dont. thats the point of your make belief any ways right?

      • dieselmech

        If you and everybody else would use alittle common sense, This world would be a better place to live in. One more thing LIFE does not have to be this complicated!!!!!

        • Wolfie Sab

          You spout religious hokem and then suggest that others need to use a little common sense. Three words for you. Pot, kettle, black.

          Basically you are trying to use passages from a work of dubious fiction (the bible) written by god knows who, and translated by many unknown people many times over many years, in order to convey your imaginary friend in the sky’s version of the truth. Hmm sounds legit.

      • African Cheetah

        Rules came in later you know.. Thaw shell not kill.

    • African Cheetah

      Yes true.. This is very important to survive. But also to watch out not to hunt to many.. Give them room to multiply also. Otherwise there will be no food.

    • Educated

      What you’re describing here is called hunting. However, what Melissa and others like her are hated for is non-hunting – just plain old assassination.

      Some hunters are outraged at this, as they would never participate in what she paid for. What she did was the worst form of trophy killing called CANNED HUNTING, which is not a hunt at all and many agencies in Africa have been trying to ban this for a long time, but their laws there are a mess, so it is currently legal to do this.

      What she has funded, supported and participated in is a very brutal industry
      that has no regard for life and breeds lions in captivity in horrific
      conditions for the sole purpose of shooting them. That’s why everyone hates her.

      The business is a living hell for lionesses, lions, and their cubs. So
      what happens is she paid for a lion to be delivered to her in an enclosed area where the lion was then placed somewhere in front of her. She then gunned down a tame lion for some sick thrill. This business is beyond disgusting and by funding it and participating in it, she has now unleashed hatred upon her from non-hunters and hunters alike, because it has nothing to do with obtaining meat to eat. It is just open fire on a tame animal that
      can’t get away.

      Sometimes lionesses (with young cubs) are starved so that the lioness will come close to the fence to get the food for her babies, where she is then brutally shot.

      People around the globe have every reason to hate her for this and it likely won’t take too long before the borders are closed to all imports from the vile trophy business.

      http://www.cannedlion.org/

      http://www.lionaid.org/news/2013/11/the-furore-about-melissa-bachmans-lion-kill-in-south-africa-continues.htm

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dV5Lzb0hvg...

  • David Hall

    http://www.livescience.com/391-lions-people-killing-tanzania.html

    560 people since 1990 have been killed by lions in Tanzania alone.

    They eat people. They are an apex predator and not a cute little ol’ ball of fur.

    If you want people to stop saving the species by hunting them, then get off your arse, and stand between the hunter and the lion. If you’re not eaten by the lion, try, try again!

    If you are not prepared to do this – then please, kindly remove your head from the sphincter and feel free to shut the hell up.

    • VA_Mom

      On average, approximate 50-70 people are killed by lions a year, depending which source your read.. African buffalo kill more than that. Snakes kill 20,000 per year. Mans best friend kills over 50,000 per year.

      • Ben O’Brien

        Regardless of how many people are killed by lions, you can’t escape the fact that cohabitation with these big cats is almost impossible. Especially for farmers with livestock.

        • Wolfie Sab

          That’s because humans have spread like the virus they are. Wildlife all over the world has been forced to survive in habitats too small to sustain their numbers. So humans, being the arrogant creatures that we are, decide the solution to this problem is to reduce the numbers of wildlife because there are too many of them for humans to live there. Wtf is that about?

          You talk a lot about cohabitation when what you really mean is the subjigation of anything non-human. We create the problem by overpopulation and then kill other species to make room for us to live in. Seriously? You think that is acceptable? Because I certainly don’t.

          • buck

            species are killed to maintain a healthy balance for them and us… you talk of mass genocide of humans like its the answer to the issue. if you would like to volunteer you and yours to take the first step into fixing the issue at hand that is your choice. if that is a step you want to take and believe in it i dont understand why your still posting…

  • Thomas

    Hunting is fine as long as you use the meat and fur. Much better way of getting meat than factory farms. But it should not be something that is enjoyable. It should be something to survive. This bitch has a wide smile on her face because she enjoyed taking another animals life. If hunting humans was legal, I don’t see what would stop her from shooting up African villages. She’s mental with no regard for any life.

    • Ben O’Brien

      Thomas, I’d ask you the same question I asked above…in what context can you compare human/human interaction with human/animal? Hunting is a multi layered pursuit and those who take part do so for many many different reasons. The fact that it is fun, is only one of them. If the fact that pursuing these animals is a good time helps perpetuate our sport, then I support that wholeheartedly. More people hunt, the more local economies and game populations benefit.

      • Thomas

        This animal was raised by it’s mother just like a human baby. It was most likely a father and had a family to support just like most humans do. If taking something this special away from another living being brings a smile to your face and you do it for “fun”, then I don’t know what to say. Just because we are the most intelligent in the animal kingdom, doesn’t mean that everything else is worthless/insignificant.

        That being said, I have nothing against hunting as a means of gathering food. I actually support and prefer hunting opposed to government regulated food systems. But animals are not just tools for human consumption; there is much more to them than that. There is a circle of life and every kill should be considered a sacrifice to keep another life going. If people restrained from taking happy pictures next to dead corpses and actually showed some respect to nature, then I would have no problem with these people.

        Oh and also, people need to stop calling it a “sport”. There is no game involved in shooting something to death. A hobby is more acceptable.

        • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

          This silly cynical little argument about pictures is asinine at best. If you don’t like the pictures than do not look at them. Some of you anti-hunters and your rationalizations and arguments are just ridiculous. I have to wonder you as an anti-hunter are here on this web page in the first place (Well other than to show everyone how big of man child you are)? You know a HUNTING PAGE? Did that simple little concept fly right over your head?

          • Thomas

            First of all, I don’t know why you are calling me an anti-hunter when I clearly stated that I support hunting…

            The pictures are important because they resemble how people feel about killing an animal. They look happy. Not looking at something doesn’t fix an issue,

            What does it matter how I got to this page?

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            If you do not like the pictures do not look at them. !!!!!!!!!!! There is no “issue” here besides you are here on a hunting site trolling it. “They look happy” yeah and? Hunters should looked desprised after harvesting an animal? Should the be like tree huggers and cry over trees being cut down? So fugging what if they do look happy? Hunting is legal and it’s not going any where. Get over it and stop being such a whiny tool.

          • Thomas

            Lol no I don’t think they should cry after every kill. Being respectful towards nature is all I ask. It’s food and you shot it, get over it.

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            Taking pictures of a life time memory is not being disrespectful to the animal no matter how hard you sit here and attempt to rationalize it as.

          • Wolfie Sab

            But she didn’t shoot it for food. Her prime motivation in shooting it was to massage her own overblown ego. If ever there was proof of penis envy she is it.

          • Shaun En Wendy Abraham

            I think we should get you to Africa to come hunt. Sounds like we could have fun.

          • Wolfie Sab

            Pram empty, toys everywhere. Open forum mate. If you post on it we will come and debate/argue/troll. Why don’t we just not look at the pictures? What you mean like people who buy meat from supermarkets don’t like to think about the methods used to produce their “food”, so they avoid everything that may challenge their sensibilities? Sorry but it is not in my nature to shy away from things I object to.

            When an activist (of any sort) believes something is inherently wrong with a certain part of society, far from ignoring it or just accepting it, they engage it. I am an animal rights activist and so I engage with those who believe in the superiority of the humans race over non-human animals.

            Sometimes I engage in online “debate”, sometimes I join other like minded people in protests and demonstrations against all forms of animal abuse, but mainly I am a member of a British hunt saboteur group. Hunt saboteurs go out into the fields to make life as difficult as possible for hunters who chase and kill wildlife for their own sadistic pleasure.

            Hunters are always ready to hide behind a wall of legality but just because something is legal it doesn’t mean it is morally acceptable. The vast majority of humans consider hunting for “sport” as being morally unacceptable.

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            ^internet tough guy Too funny

          • Nikki Kristyl

            and like, there are NEVER any trophy-killer supporters on the Stop MB FB page…. oh no. LOL

          • slayer

            trophy hunters? i doubt it, that would be hypocrisy at its finest. i think you mean non trophy hunters (still hunters) who are lead to believe something untrue…

          • Nikki Kristyl

            OK, whatever

          • slayer

            well wouldnt trophy hunters who condemn her be condemning themselves as well? i mean come on.

            not all hunters are trophy hunters, i think you were combining the two and i was pointing that out.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            OK – now I understand; read that the other way around; yes we are talking about the same thing. Well, there we go, we agree. Who would of thought :)

          • slayer

            im not attacking you in any of our conversations, i want you to know that. i am just presenting you with easily attainable knowledge i dont think you have seen and for you to consider and make more knowledgeable conversation so we can constructively advance the topic, so far you are the only one who has civilly spoke back to me before jumping to vulgar attacks.

            if i can remotely even have you think and constructively reply with evidence points otherwise, i enjoy that sort of debate.

            i do not agree with some aspects of trophy hunting, i down right hate animals being wasted and abused. sadly a majority of all this going on has nothing to do with that. this essentially and neither non beneficial to lions or hunting has become a witch hunt by animal rights activists. i hope you can agree on that as well. a small percentage of them, and im assuming you as well, actually cared about lions prior to all this. that isnt the case for most though…

          • Nikki Kristyl

            I will read the links you gave; no prob, I love reading.

            Just so you know I am not anti-hunter or vegan or whatever, either. My family is FULL of hunters and always supply wild meats. But I have a huge problem (obviously) with trophy hunting lions from these canned breeders. There is no balancing of any system here, just producing lions to serve the large demand for a trophy from Africa. And I do think its a dirty business that goes on there, often but not always, presenting one picture to hunting tourists, when in fact it is something else entirely.
            And don’t think I haven’t gotten a blast from my family hunters, because some are for and others are against trophy hunting, depending on the circumstances. Everyone has their own passionate views.

            Yes, I can see you enjoy debate – it’s kind of like arguing /slash debating with some family members….. oh the joys. I have a VERY passionate hunter in the family and he can’t stand “activists” well, it has gotten to be almost a bad word the way it is used. But I kind of hang around with some of them because I truly do care about the survival of a species for other generations and I do also recognize the efforts that hunting has made towards this end. It is just that all the efforts made where the Big 5 are concerned have not amounted to much success.
            I understand the witch hunt thing, believe me I have been lectured about it… well I think we got through all this somewhat civil …. not too many harsh words were flung about – just enough “spunk”. I think I’ll just call you spunky from now on, if that’s ok. :)

          • slayer

            here is something i think youll find very interesting.

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3094041/posts

            also i would like to point out this wasnt a canned hunt, they did not purchase or bring the lion in for the sole purpose of killing it. it has been stated by the game reservation it was shot on it was a cull kill. which means they were taking excess from the heard to maintain a prey/ predator ratios so the reservation they run is balanced. just because this ranch has a high fence doesnt make it canned, that fence is their for one reason, to protect the animals within, not contain them for murder.

            activists have labbeled this a canned hunt to try and further a cause to misinformed people and fanatics. like i said the 5000 lions raised in small cages for canned hunts is a whole different conversation, not in context with this conversation. and i agree with you about canned hunts.

            this is a 32 square mile reservation with all kinds of animals protected within. it a has a healthy lion population and instead of young males or females who will be outcasts or killed they sell those hunts for profit. i can guarantee that if this is respectable game reservation (which i have never seen otherwise) they know what males they intend to take each year to benefit that lion pride.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            I will take your word on this, and am open to the real possibility that the news sources that said otherwise were mistaken, but there is controversy over these types of hunts because of news stories about illegal activities going on within game reserves.

            I don’t think many North Americans hear of these stories, but they are in the news in S.A. The only way we hear about them is through newsletters:

            http://www.jvbigcats.co.za/newsletters84.htm

            Hence, why some people both in Africa and North America see U.S./European/other trophy hunters as part of the problem, rather than the solution.

          • Wolfie Sab

            The argument and indeed the outrage is not about the picture at all. It is about the act of senseless killing for sport, for the fun, the enjoyment of taking a life for no other reason than it pleases you to do so.

            You can dress it up whichever way you wish but you are fooling no one but yourselves. The truth is clear, humans are vermin, we destroy everything we touch. And the best thing you can come up with is the preposterous notion that you can save a species from extinction by killing members of that species. Seriously WT actual F? You are quite clearly insane.

        • Ben O’Brien

          I would just say this pretty simply about what you are stating, while it may seem like a commonsense premise to support an wild animal’s right to live and be respected by humans, the realities of cohabitation really don’t match up to this way of thinking. The realities of the world we live in dictate that we have a full understanding of population and habitat management as it pertains to wildlife and how those needs weigh against the rights of any particular animal. This isn’t a cut and dry “animals are living beings too” issue at all. Making it seem that way is just wrong.

          As far as hunters go, you have the right to disagree with having fun while hunting. Consider this, no hunter is just allowed to shoot game animals at will. He is bound by state and federal laws. So no matter his intention, he cannot legally kill more animals than the government sees fit. But again it seems you’d rather think of the world we live in as a Disney cartoon than a functioning ecosystem with the challenges of human/wildlife cohabitation.

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            Ben a prime example of such is the wolf hunting in the Great Lakes region right now and what we’ve dealt with the animal activists. . People have this magical perception of wolves and how they shouldn’t be managed by man.

          • Wolfie Sab

            Well they managed themselves for millions of years before we came along. Why do they need managing by us now? Serious question here. Why?

          • Thomas

            I agree with what you’re saying. I understand that we control the population of a lot of animals. That is not my issue here. I don’t believe in showing off dead corpses and viewing them as signs of honour or to boost ones ego.

          • Wolfie Sab

            I have asked the same question of many pro hunt types, in many debates/arguments/slanging matches, on many forums and as yet I have not received an answer to it.

            Why do humans need to “conserve” or “manage” wildlife when for millions of years they have managed themselves very well thank you, without any need for us to interfere?

          • Wolfie Sab

            What challenges? Stop encroaching on their habitats and leave them alone to live out their lives and procreate as they have done for millions of years before human intervention.

            The arrogance of my own species never ceases to bewilder me.

      • Wolfie Sab

        And I put forward an answer to the question you posted above but you neglected to offer up a reply.

    • Annie

      MZ Drama Queen
      I would like to see the credentials you were awarded that allows you to tell someone else what they are allowed to enjoy. You do not know this woman but you think it’s okay to call her names. It’s amazing how people think.

      • Thomas

        You can enjoy whatever you like. Some people enjoy raping little boys. It doesn’t mean I have to agree with your thought processes.

        I am calling her a name suitable to her actions. Just like how you called me a Drama Queen. It is amazing how hypocritical people can be.

        • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

          “I am calling her a name suitable to her actions” No you’re just an internet tough guy, and showing the world what an adolescent little child you are . Nothing more

          • Thomas

            What was the point of this response?

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            what’s yours other than to again to show the everyone how uneducated you are in this thread?

          • Thomas

            I am contributing to the conversation and you are just trying to put me down. So who sounds more childish? Please refer to the hierarchy of disagreement and come back with something worth saying.

          • Annie

            OMGosh !! “hierarchy of disagreement” ?! Calling Ms Bachman derogatory names is the lowest form of your Hierarchy triangle. I’d say you’re the most childish

          • Wolfie Sab

            OMGod! No you’re more childish than what he is and his dad’s bigger than your dad, so there :P

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            You start a thread by calling Melissa Bachmann a “bitch” than you want to play the victim card and tell us how you’re contributing to this article? Oh that’s cute and rich. Thanks for the laugh

          • Thomas

            She is the subject of the article… Maybe I should have said “mean person”.

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            Which mean you should always come running into a article with posting derogatory names to a female /end dripping sarcasm . I sense a little inferior complex going on here with her with you.

          • Thomas

            Yes, I very much desire to grow a pair of boobs, lose my facial hair, and kill lions. You figured me out.

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            yeah and I am rather sure if Melissa was a male , you’d be scouring the hunting websites looking for dead lion pictures to complain about. Sure run with it champ .

          • Thomas

            Her gender has nothing to do with this dude. I have had the same attitude towards all hunters who display this kind of behaviour. It’s not like I noticed she was a girl and suddenly formulated an opinion like this. Don’t know what you’re trying to do here…

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            sure you do. I must have missed all your other posts on your account demonizing male hunters. {rolls eyes}

          • Wolfie Sab

            a, What the hell has her gender got to do with it? If the subject being defended by this article were male, those angered by him would be calling him a wanker or an arsehole or any other epithet that suits.

            b, If Mellisa Bachman doesn’t act like a bitch she won’t get called one.

            c, bitch bɪtʃ/ noun

            1. a female dog, wolf, fox, or otter – (don’t think so)

            2. informal, a spiteful or unpleasant woman – (Bingo!)

            d, If the cap fits….

          • Wolfie Sab

            “what’s yours other than to again to show the everyone how uneducated you are in this thread?”

            And you are accusing others of being uneducated?

          • Wolfie Sab

            and you are the one standing in the sand pit slinging mud at every one who doesn’t agree with you.

  • hunter75

    you would rather let animals over populate and end up starving to death now that’s a load of shit!

    • Cheshirekat

      I’m pretty confident that we’re referring to recreational hunting and not wild life or game management which is regulated. Wild life would manage itself but Unfortunately, Humans have to interfere and mess it up.
      For example:
      An important step in wildlife management in the United States national parks occurred after several years of public controversy regarding the forced reduction of the elk population in Yellowstone National Park. In 1963, United States Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall appointed an advisory board to collect scientific data to inform future wildlife management. In a paper known as the Leopold Report, the committee observed that culling programs at other national parks had been ineffective, and recommended active management of Yellowstone’s elk population.

      Elk overpopulation in Yellowstone is primarily caused by the extirpation of wolves from the park and surrounding environs. After wolves were removed, elk herds increased in population, reaching new highs during the mid-1930s. The increased number of elk apparently resulted in overgrazing in parts of Yellowstone. So Park officials decided that the elk herd should be managed. For approximately thirty years, the park elk herds were culled: Each year some were captured and shipped to other locations, a certain number were killed by park rangers.

      Wildlife management has become an integrated science using disciplines such as mathematics, chemistry, biology, ecology, climatology and geography to gain the best results.

      • Edee Schellenberg

        Always amazed at the ignorance of “anti-hunters”.

        • Ignorant? Not So Much

          There are not two sides in this issue – there are those who are completely against hunting & killing of any sort, then there are those who are hunters, but would never do what Melissa and all the extreme trophy hunters do (as in supporting the cruel breeding and assassination of captive animals for a cheap thrill), and then there are those who both hunt and trophy-kill.
          Not sure what your definition of anti-hunter is, but a large percentage of hunters are supporting the Take Down Melissa FB Page because she has offended many hunters by funding and engaging in the canned hunt business.
          You can call people ignorant, but those ignorant people are wielding much more power with their actions than any support page for her. Her supporters are at 46K and the Take-Her-Down page has 322k including some hunters. Yesterday it was only at 308K so they’ve already added 14K supporters in 1 day. Calling people names is not going to add anything to your own beliefs. Maybe those ignorant people are thinking the same thing about you, but they have enough reserve not to say so.

        • Wolfie Sab

          Always amazed at the narrow minded arrogance of “pro-hunters”.

  • cmrosko

    Some very good points made here.
    I suspect that the percentage of folks who do anything to truly support wildlife conservation is pretty low among the signatories of that anti-hunting petition. I find this is the case with most of the anti-hunting community.

    • Ben O’Brien

      What’s the best way to continue this conversation in your opinion? There’s got to be a way to reason with the anti-hunters, right?

      • Guest

        You cannot reason with social media created religious zeal. This is like Kony 2012. What the hell ever happened with that? When it comes to democratic discourse the computer creates lazy activism, and fuels ignorance with misquoted, mis-attributed, and down right false information. For some conservationist/activists reasoning with them (or trying to create a reasonable discourse) is like trying to reason with people who won’t vaccinate their children. Facts get in the way of zeal, and dammit zeal feels good.

        Zeal which is driven by the same thrill seeking, and ego building, that they believe drives responsible hunters. Tell me how their desire to “hunt down hunters” (and some activists do use violence) is ANY different than what they deem “thrill hunting.” There is no internal logic to their complaints. Thus, your discourse is wasted.

    • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

      Again I agree with you. Then you have the opposite in hunters who spend countless hours in the field helping with conservation. Whether that be with our local or national sport clubs and volunteer our time with them and our state DNR offices. Anti-hunter just don’t realize that of how many hours outdoorsmens and women spend helping out with wildlife. It much easier to paint a broad brush and label hunters as cold blooded killers.

      • African Cheetah

        Conservationist is the people that have the most grief of all.. They work long ours, in the wild for days without a bath. Baging for money to help out. Helping animals and plant life.. And for little money.. Although we hunt to survive, we do respect the wildlife and nature and do help and preserve plant and animals.. Help them to grow in numbers, they are our survival.

      • Wolfie Sab

        Dan Dan Dahhhh! This looks like a job for super hunter! With my extraordinary killing powers I will save all the wildlife in the world, by, er…….killing them.

  • Pro hunting

    If your anti hunting go play in traffic! Your useless to this world, an don’t let me catching you eating meat, cause ill slap that shit out of your mouth! That lion fed people an brought revenue to Africa! You’re a bunch of morons!

    • Ben O’Brien

      I agree. But the only way to win this argument is to be civil.

      • Wolfie Sab

        But dude, you ain’t gonna win. We’re right and you’re wrong. So just sit there in your wrongness and be wrong ;)

    • Educate

      An enormous number of meat eaters who hunt regularly are repulsed by the actions of people who pay money to gun down a tame animal in an enclosed setting where they are unable to escape the gun fire. Most hunters do not consider this to be hunting and feel that people like her are giving them a bad name.

    • Wolfie Sab

      If some fucking evil bitch hadn’t fucking killed it, it could have propagated it’s own bloodline. Killing for food is nature, killing for “sport” is for those of low moral values.

      Oh and, Vegan, for life mate ;)

  • Jaw

    You go girl. Hunting is our god given right. My elk feed my family for months. That’s money I saved to use for things like a home, heat, water, my kids. I grew up hunting with my father witch is full blooded Indian. My kids hunt and it’s for food to put on our table. So get over it and stop acting so hi and mighty.

    • Wolfie Sab

      If you hunt for subsistence that’s great. But what is in contention here is hunting purely for “sport” and the thrill of killing. Hunting for food is nature’s way. What people like Melissa Bachman do is killing to massage their own already distorted ego.

  • Cheshirekat

    Regardless of the legal ramifications, what about the fact that it’s not a fair fight? How does a hunter take pride in a kill when they had to sneak up on a totally unaware animal, wearing a disquise and set traps or use weapons to kill a totally defenseless victim. In human society we call this kind of person a bully. Anyone that takes joy in torturing and watching another living, feeling creature (human or animal) suffer is a total coward! Climb in the ring with an ultimate fighter or wrestle a bear or lion without your weapons and camo’s. Or, I have a better idea, how about stop torturing and bullying and seek some professional help!!!

    • Ben O’Brien

      What you’re talking about here is reversing human nature. Could you explain to me your view of the food chain as it relates to cohabitation? Also, explain your thinking a bit further: What historical context allows for the line of thinking that human/human interaction can be compared to human/animal interaction?

      • Wolfie Sab

        Ok I am acting under assumption that you are American when I say this but: You need look no further than your own Native American thinking for one thing.
        The ideology that humans should live alongside non-human animals. The belief that all life was precious and one should only take a life out of necessity.
        The understanding that non-human animals should be respected. Where is the respect in hunting for “sport”?

        All these things worked well for thousands of years before “white” christian settlers forced them out of their lands and destroyed their way of life.

        • African Cheetah

          Wolfie I like you and understand what you are saying.. But dud…. “white Christian settlers” do you really think we are the most here.. Let me see. In on area of one tribe the are 2million soles… In my country we “the whites” as you are calling us, are but under 10% in the hole country.. Let me state it like this.. We the people of the country is growing yes.. But we are looking after the animals its the nabours that I am worried about.. If there’s are gone they will want to take ours.. Yes respect nature…

          • Wolfie Sab

            My remark was aimed at America not Africa but my point still stands. If Americans ask for an historic example of a working co-existence between humans and nature, they need look no further than their own backyard.

          • African Cheetah

            Oeps sorry I read it wrong.. I just read it again.. So sorry…

    • Chris Glisson

      Sneak up ???? These animals are fenced into farms where you can drive up to them within meters ! There’s no hunting skill required. It’s plain brutal murder and then sit gloating over a kill. I was taught to hunt from the age of five, first kill at age 12 on an animal. Edible animal !! And on foot ! Not in some ranger vehicle.
      This is not hunting, this is racketeering ! (sic)

      • Shaun En Wendy Abraham

        Chris I am in the lucky position of being a Professional Hunter in Africa. To this day I have not hunted in a zoo where you can drive up to the animals and shoot them out of your ranger vehicle! Every lion that I have hunted has been on foot where we pick up the tracks and follow them. You are welcome to join me any time on a lion hunt. If you do I suggest you get on your treadmill and get ready for a long walk. Africa is not a place for sissies!! PS: lots of the locals do eat lion.

        • Wolfie Sab

          and you are still killing them purely for the sadistic pleasure of killing.

      • cmrosko

        You might consider why you apparently didn’t comprehend the text of this article which described this particular hunt as stalking the animal on foot in an area that spans 21,000 acres. .

      • African Cheetah

        Most hunting is done on foot in Africa.. And yes there are many fences, but easily to go throw.. And those that are not, is to help keep the people safe from animals that hunt and eat meat.

    • cmrosko

      The great majority of hunters take considerable effort to make the harvest of a wild animal as humane of a kill as possible. In most cases the animal doesn’t know what hit them and falls unconscious before feeling much, if any pain. Compare this to the way that most wild animals die in nature such as being torn apart and eaten while still alive, in some cases very slowly, or, being hit by a highway vehicle and crawling off to the side of the road to die slowly from broken limbs and internal injuries.

      • Nikki Kristyl

        I do agree with this, as I have hunters in the family, but this discussion is about an endangered species and the challenges that are faced in keeping them alive, healthy, and protected – one of them being the very unsustainable trophy hunting which just adds to the poaching problem.

        • slayer

          and how does trophy hunting add to poaching?

          unsustainable? this comment couldnt be more contrary to proven fact… trophy hunting ranches manage their game and maintain healthy herds so that profits can be made from cull hunts…

          as i pointed out, the private properties that manage their own animals. lions are flourishing and maintaining consistent, healthy, numbers for the range they inhabit.

          • Nikki Kristyl
          • slayer

            i read nothing but supporting fact or activist “give us money” garbage in those.

            here is whats taken from the first article:

            “Here are the facts: in the last 60 years that have passed, the population of lions in Africa has been stunted by a devastating 90-95%, bringing the number down from a healthy 450 000 to merely 20 000. Who to blame, you may ask. It is hardly surprising that the sole reason for the destruction of the lives of lions comes down to human conflict.”

            “There are many rural communities in Africa living in borderless settlements that are frequently intruded upon by wild animals, causing havoc and evoking fear. Tragically, the defensive response is to kill the threat, to protect their livestock from predators and to sustain their livelihoods. The retaliatory killing of lions has reached disparaging numbers, as herders use snares, poison and ammunition to target the cat culprits who kill their cattle.”

            do you even read these? from other stuff it stated that 5000 lions are being bred and released to be hunted. didnt africa pass law to essentially make lions livestock? a sought after commodity? im not saying i agree with that but its simply a fact and something african leaders chose to do.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            I didn’t read any “give me money” stuff there. Maybe I was too engrossed in the articles. And of course I read it ALL. A very long article indeed. More of the article you pointed out:

            Unfortunately, the human impact on the heartrending decline of the lion does not end with a fight for living space. In fact, the ruthless murder of lions is dominated by an industry that is threatening the very near future of the Big Five. Poaching has consumed news headlines around the world, leading with the horrific number of rhino poaching incidents in southern Africa in the last year. A morose and not-so-publicised fact is that South Africa has entered the trade of lion products. Lion skins and bones, in particular, are proving to be a hot commodity after 1000 lion skeletons were released onto the market. These bones are being bought off poachers and used as a component in ‘tiger wine’. Used in China for centuries, it is falsely believed to ease and heal ailments such as rheumatism, sterility and ulcers and cancer. This age-old concoction originally used tiger bones, but since that remarkable, striped feline is now dangerously at risk of becoming extinct (more quickly than lions, that is), manufacturers of ‘tiger wine’ are manically stocking up on the identical ingredient – lion bones.

            Of course, just as the medicinal uses of rhino horn are fictitious, lion bones hold absolutely no more medicinal value than human bones do. The problem is that the seed has been planted, the rumour spread and the mind brainwashed. This mythical product is now the star of a lucrative industry that cannot be resisted by the greed of mankind.

            The bones of our incredible cats are easily attained in South Africa due to the entirely legal, yet appalling industry of lion trophy hunting. While Botswana and Zambia have banned lion hunting altogether, and Mozambique is expected to soon follow suit, it is torturous to acknowledge the big game hunting statistics of Southern Africa. The Convention in Trade in Endangered Species has confirmed that there are 5000 lions being bred in captivity by 200 breeders in South Africa and that this fully operational trade results in one lion being killed every day in a hunt. Lions do no not breed at this rate, which concludes that lions are a dying species due to hunting. This is firm proof that this is the biggest problem facing the survival of lions today. The reasons people pay huge sums of money to “hunt” lion are no longer based on any moral code. It can most certainly be said that the adventurous, dangerous spirit of a hunt, as it would have been in the times of President Roosevelt and Frederick Selous, is long forgotten.

            In the business of hunting in South Africa, lions are born and bred in captivity until they are matured enough and possess a mane worthy of a trophy. The individuals are then booked by a paying customer and are released with a 96 hour head start, into a cordoned-off area.

            For the first time in their entirely stunted lives, these animal kingdom rulers are released into a wilderness they should walk with pride. Instead, a period of curious discovery unfolds, and after a few days without their hand-fed steaks, hunger takes over and a nervous and confused animal spends dark hours in isolation, until armed, paying customers take aim and end that lion’s sad existence. Many a time, an inexperienced shot will painfully and angrily injure the animal, leading to an unnecessarily bloody end”

            Yes, they are bred like livestock just to support the excess demand in trophy hunting. Pretty Sad.

          • slayer

            i didnt say that it wasnt sad. in fact the takes away my opinion of what an “earned” trophy is. like hunters that pay ridiculous sums of money to hunt white tailed deer in high fence enclosures. if that animal is going to be different than a wild one, mainly in the genetic blood lines and culling practices that allow for “monster” bucks to surface.

            that is my opinion as you have your own and some people have theirs. just because you feel one way dont mean your right and im wrong.

            you seem to be trying to draw a correlation between trophy hunting and poaching and the black market trade of animal parts, right?

            poachers are decimating lions in africa, they contribute nothing to their existence. here is a national geographic article:

            “Is the condition of the lion really that dire? Fortunately, the most recent scientific data say no. A comprehensive study published last December concluded that there are between 32,000 and 35,000 lions living in the wild in Africa. The lion population is spread across 27 countries, with nine countries having populations of at least 1,000 lions. (See “The Serengeti Lion.”)

            Of greatest significance is the fact that 24,000 of the lions, which is at least 68 percent of the total population, live in what the study terms “strongholds.” Strongholds are areas that meet “the necessary requirements for [the] long-term viability” of their lion populations.

            To qualify as a stronghold, an area must meet these three criteria:

            1) a population of at least 500 lions;

            2) be legally protected as lion habitat, or be an area where hunting is managed; and

            3) contain a population of lions whose numbers are either stable or increasing.

            There are ten such areas in Africa. According to the study, the lion populations living in these areas are “large, stable, and well protected,” and the populations are therefore “likely to persist into the foreseeable future.”

            trophy hunting has zero in common with poachers and black market. if you take away those private lands and their ability to protect and manage those lions 68% (SIXTY EIGHT percent) of lions would probably perish. this all funded by trophy hunters, all these activists have contributed what?

          • Nikki Kristyl

            Actually, I was just reading that very same article last night. That is actually good news, and is right in line with your theory of having large lands to protect them. And I sure have no problem with that-it’s great. But yes, I do see the trophy hunting intertwined with poaching, but let me be clear – I am talking specifically of captive bred lions for the canned hunting industry who are raised in terrible conditions and never see the wild – ever; until they are taken out there to be shot. This is where the connection to black markets comes in.

            “The bones of the lion shot will be sold to Asian wildlife traffickers, creating yet another threat to lion survival – a booming lion bone trade – and therefore increased wild lion poaching in Africa.”

            “We cannot afford to have lions readily available for the public’s consumption and for hunters’ satisfactions, because those desires are, as Adam said, insatiable. Developments in ecotourism are proving to be a flying success, and people living rurally in Africa are being approached by initiatives promising to employ them and incentivise their communities in order to conserve the wildlife that this continent’s health and wealth depends on. How hypocritical does it seem, then, to want to provide captive-bred lions just to satisfy people’s desire to kill? Lions, elephants and rhinos are out of the question – it is not sustainable; there are not enough numbers for trigger happy humans to mount their taxidermy art on their walls. It is a shock to realise that the greed of people has led us to a point where we are scrambling to save a species, so much so, that we breed lions just so we can kill them.”

            But, I still think that the people who live there and deal with all this on a daily basis are more informed about the red tape, the differing agencies, etc and have an overwhelming situation with the demand of trophy hunting against the supply and the subsequent dealings with canned hunts and the selling of their bones to black markets.

            But I don’t think that anyone wants to take away the “large, stable, well protected lands” … just the seedy side of this dirty business.

          • slayer

            i agree with that completely, canned hunts detract from my concept of what hunting really is. this sadly is not what started the outrage over bachmans hunt. their is also no evidence out that this was a canned hunt. in fact the reservation she took her lion on has a very large and healthy lion population and it has been said by the conservation she took the animal as part of their management plan.

            all they have said is they donate the lions meat to local villages and from everything i have read lion meat is no different than a pork taste, so i would assume it was consumed. if they could state and prove those ranches were supplying black market animal parts, this would be a whole different conversation.

            the 5000 animals raised for canned hunts, are not counted in actual “wild” lion numbers, i read that some where sorry i cant link it. it i sad and i agree with you on that. that though, was a step some african nations have taken to bring profits from lion parts commercialization. something i dont agree with myself, but that was a decision made by those governments and i guess i have to respect it to an extent.

            commercialized lions is no different than domesticated livestock. so to bring that argument into hind sight is to open a giant can of worms. it is a shame these less productive canned farms do not raise and let lions live as the the large private conservancies do, like the one in question.

            i am sure someday, that practice will fall apart, i hope. along with the archaic and false medicinal concept of consuming animal parts.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            I can genuinely see you have put a lot of time and effort into these posts, providing extra information covering a wide range here – from myths surrounding the hunt itself, to the industry in general and the canned industry. I can actually say that I have learned something today, rather than just wasting space online.
            You are, quite obviously, someone who is passionate about these subjects and no doubt, one of the good hunters out there. I have a few in my family as well, although I do not hunt myself. I would probably starve if I had to hunt, but for me this whole thing was not about hunting at all. I was under the strict impression that there were some shady goings-on regarding the trophy, but I have to admit, after “listening” to your presentations, it is highly likely that I was misinformed (I was already called out on this by my brother-in-law, hunter royale, but of course I don’t like to listen to him much).
            Since your lengthy posts here are online, this information is sure to answer questions and/or concerns that others have surrounding these issues, for those who visit this page.

            One thing I did notice throughout the unfolding of this whole deal, is that people do get a little crazy on all sides. I think its from people attacking each other over instant judgements. We all seem to make quick judgements of an issue or of other people and then each party just ends up looking “radical” and then the whole polarization thing sets in and it seems difficult to come back to the center again.

            All this attention towards the subject of African wildlife and trophy hunts etc. could turn out in the end to be a good thing if the correct information gets out there instead of some of the info floating around in the news and online.
            Well, spunky, err, I mean slayer, over and out for now – TTYL (I’ll put in a good word on the FB page) :)

          • slayer

            lol thanks, ttyl

    • African Cheetah

      Hunting is done very humane.. Now suffering.. And sorry but all the natives eat meat to survive. I mean have you seen Africa. Not many places to plant you know..

      • Wolfie Sab

        I personally don’t have a problem with anyone killing for food. Far better to do that than to eat flesh from animals brought into this world purely to be slaughtered. Hunting for “sport” and for the joy of killing is just wrong.

        • African Cheetah

          Thank you Wolfie. And I respect vegans. You have a very healthy way of living.. :-) People out there think we do it for pleaser, but it takes so much of a hunter to pull the trigger. His family needs the food. A wile ago he was watch peacefully how beautiful the animal is, wile it grazes on the fields and now he has to shoot is.. Not easy..

          • Wolfie Sab

            I understand perfectly. Some other Vegans are not happy about my acceptance of people hunting to survive, but those people are only doing the same as all other animals do and that is fine by me.
            The main belief behind Veganism is that all animals are equally important. No species is superior to another and we all do what we need to, in order to survive.

  • VA_Mom

    African canned hunts only put 5% of their fees back into the local economy and hunting season only lasts 4-5 months. Eco-tourism and camera safaris go all year and pump millions more into the local economy. As for how “hot” Melissa Bachman is, let us just say that “real” hunters don’t wear tight fitting clothing and bikini’s in full make-up to hunt, nor to they sport clunky jewelry. Melissa is nothing more than an exhibitionist, out for fame and $$. Just look at her website and how she enjoys all those “What tits!” comments. A real hunter would not behave in this fashion. My grandfather was a hunter who taught us to respect both the animal and the land they lived on. He would have been horrified at her behavior, and those like her.

    • Ben O’Brien

      What behavior are you speaking of in particular? The fact that she wears jewelry and has tits does not make her a poor example of a hunter. You’re judging a book by its cover, aren’t you?

      • VA_Mom

        True hunters don’t “enjoy” what they do. When they gloat as Melissa and Tony Makris do (with champagne over a dead elephant), it inflames those who appreciate the beauty of nature. They don’t appreciate the animal. They just want to kill something and show it off. Most people understand hunting to eat, but it is difficult to comprehend the slaughter of such beauty in such a cold fashion.

        • Darin Davis

          Are you a hunter?

          • Annie

            She probably isn’t, like she says her grandfather tried to teach her but it’s much easier to sit on her hiney eat bonbons and watch (not so real) reality drama shows

        • Ben O’Brien

          I have awe and respect for both nature and the animals that I pursue. It is because of that respect that I continue to hunt, not because of some sick thrill. I would imagine, you’re projecting your hatred of hunting onto these people who are simply celebrating a successful hunt and all the good that it brings. You interpret that as a cold, heartless act that is akin to slaughter?

          I’m from Maryland, I assume you are from Virginia. I would love to take you hunting in my home state so we can (1) have this argument in a real world setting, (2) you can see what hunting really is…why your projections of it are so far away from the reality.

          • Wolfie Sab

            For what purpose do you hunt? Serious question.

          • Leslie Young

            as you can see, no answer. I have asked this of several hunters since the Bachman thing blew up. I have yet to get an answer out of any, other than, “YOU people wouldn’t understand.”

          • Wolfie Sab

            They are in denial methinks :)

          • African Cheetah

            In Africa we hunt for food when it is needed…

          • Leslie Young

            if you have awe and respect for the animals you would hunt only for food, you would not glorify this act with photographs of the dead carcass as you smile alongside it.
            someone who hunts as Bachman does is psychopathic to enjoy the kiling of so many animals. And not just normal food supply animals (hog, deer, fowl), but several bears as well as these exotic animals.

            WHY hunt lion? She would never eat it.

          • African Cheetah

            Ben I support hunting and have nothing to say about photos and such.. We in Africa al so do this.. We hunt when we need meat and sometimes if it is a good or big one we take pictures. But I think the people of SA or Africa you may say is upset because we always hear of how few of this type of lions and how less that time of lion is in Africa.. And the people are worried, we are worried.. I mean it was one of the big five she shot.. The majority thought that the lion was being spared of hunting.. It’s a big shock to all. I mean it is an endangered specie.. Why? Now she did it, everyone ells that loves would want one to.. Where is it going to stop, this money making thing to support the lion.. she’s not the first one and wound not be the last one, only the famous one..

          • Nikki Kristyl

            Thanks, African Cheetah – very good post. That’s the thing – these people that just have to have a trophy head will pay – and turn a blind eye as to where the lion comes from or what the effect is of killing a breeding male lion (if it truly was wild then that’s equally as worse as having a captive bred one).

            you’d think that someone on TV in the public eye would have half a brain and think before they acted, as to the effect of their actions. The very LEAST she could have done was refrain from posting her gruesome images online. Now she is paying the price and the lions are paying the price.

          • African Cheetah

            Yes that is true, but I also think it is a good thing.. Now people are made a wear of what was going on.. And on the other side, this mite just be the beginning of something far more worse then what was going on..

          • Nikki Kristyl

            OMG – a “successful hunt” ???

            Is this what is deemed a successful hunt? – when someone pays to have a tame animal strategically placed in an enclosed area where the gunman can then open fire and the animal has no way to escape?

            Then, after slaughtering the tame lion, you then have your ego picture taken to show off your trophy from a long’s days work at stalking an enclosed animal from 60 yards?

            Yikes! If this is deemed a successful hunt, I would hate to think what an unsuccessful one is.

            And lets not get into where most of that blood money actually goes because 96% of it doesn’t go to the local economy. That’s a whole other issue…..

            http://blog.sunsafaris.com/2013/06/21/this-is-why-trophy-hunting-will-not-save-our-lions/

            Since this is an educational page, lets then get educated:

            http://www.cannedlion.org/

            http://www.cannedlion.org/

            http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/melissa-bachman-photo-killing-a-lion-outrage-trophy-hunting-hell-no

            http://mygrillinglife.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/jani-writes-to-melissa-bachman/comment-page-9/#comment-1742

          • Nikki Kristyl

            And therein lies the whole problem. People get the lines crossed between anti-hunting and anti-trophy killing (in Africa). Hunters seem to get all defensive and fearful over hunting, but no one is ever going to ban hunting. My family is full of hunters that love nature, etc. but they do not support breeding lions for the purpose of putting them out in a field to be slaughtered by people that want a trophy lion head on their wall.

        • Annie

          If they didn’t enjoy it they wouldn’t do it, There’s a grocery store in every town that still carries meat.

          • Thomas

            There are more benefits to hunting than enjoying it.

          • Annie

            I’m from the south and in the south they enjoy it or they don’t do it.

          • Thomas

            Okay, that’s fair. I’m just saying that there are people who exist that hunt and don’t “enjoy” it. It can be a task like gardening.

          • African Cheetah

            That is true all so. Mainly people native to Africa and people born here hunt to survive.. Not for the thrill of it.. It is food on the table.

        • David Smith

          “True hunters don’t enjoy what they do”? One can only assume that you know of no true hunters in your life, because that is utter nonsense. Of course they enjoy what they do, as well they should. Your mistake is reducing hunting to the sole millisecond act of pulling the trigger or releasing the arrow, and that’s simply not what it’s all about.

          • Wolfie Sab

            If you take pleasure from killing for whatever reason you are morally bankrupt.

          • buck

            their is a certain pride one can attain from all the work it takes to gather and provide food for a family. hunters know the meat they consumed is not some hormone or genetically enhanced piece of garbage. they work for it. the pleasure is when all the hard work pays off during a harvest of an animal in the wild.

            you can take pleasure in that the food you provide for yourself or family you work for by other means than hunting or gathering. which i doubt your lazy vegan ass has the means to farm or process your own food.

            but than the woman who took the lion could use the very same argument, she worked for the money to kill the lion… if your pissed because all she kept was a trophy, what remained of the lion fed some other organism on this planet im sure if she did not eat it, or are those mouths not important? dont be ignorant.

            the raising of crops and livestock has been a means to sustain since we learned to, before then we just killed shit. if a lion is raised to be hunted, so be it, the money that provides fed someone, and probably keeps some lions safe in the wild. i agree conditions of the lions being raised for this purpose could improve, hell some are probably better than what they would receive in the wild, but news dont like to point out good situations…

            “WAH WAH WAH, why kill to eat or for trophies” im sure is your butt hurt argument right? circle of life… some animals will kill prey until they drive themselves into starvation and then a population decline until prey bounces back during low predator stages. its why we eat and consume. if someone wants to hunt for a trophy so be it, they worked for that opportunity. it is their definition of “trophy” though (not a mjority of hunters) let them feel what they choose, you wont be able to take that feeling away as hard as you try.

          • Robert Campbell

            Well said, buck. Well said..

          • African Cheetah

            She is welcome to do with hear money what she want, firstly she must be able to shoot.. She had to shoot the lion a few times before it was dead. Not humanely.. Secondly.. If she wants to be a hunter do it like the hunter do it… Other wise she is not a hunter.. She is just a shooter.. Leave the hunting name out of it.. It is not how we hunter do it.. We do not do it like she does it.. She is not a hunter just a shooter.. And you can be glad I do not say pee shooter.. Thirdly.. Shoot animals that are plenty and leave those that needs to recover for a wile. Lastly, do not throw the name of women hood in the bloody mud..If you want to show women can do it just as well, do it right or not at all.

          • Robert Campbell

            You believe that she is unethical because she shot a second time? In the US, many hunters are trained to take a second shot if possible when hunting large or dangerous predators even if it isn’t “necessary” as a matter of course. A second shot does not make a bad hunter.. only an ethical one.

            We also hunt threatened species in the united states in such as way as to increase the population of these species. Crazy, you might think? Not at all.

            A very limited number of tags is sold so that these animals can be hunted, but not without heavy regulations. The season, number of animals harvested, and the number of tags sold is highly regulated. For example, for some species a person may only participate in ONE HUNT in their entire lifetime.

            The biggest lie you have ever been told about this issue is that conservationists and legitimate hunters are working towards different agendas and that they are enemies. It is blatantly false.

          • Robert Campbell

            Another reason hunters often take a second shot is because contrary to popular opinions, the overwhelming majority of us do not take any pleasure in seeing an animal suffer, or delight as it struggles in vain to live.

          • African Cheetah

            Watch closely she shot 3 times. And what you are saying about conservationists and legitimate hunters……. Do you really think all of them are working with conservationists… No….. Yes there are hunting farms working with conservationists, but wake up and spell the manure.. Most don’t….

          • African Cheetah

            Large predator…???? Lion is small.. Even elephant are killed with one, maybe to shots.. What do you se as large… And another thing we do not shoot small animals like squalls, no meat on them..

          • Robert Campbell

            What I’m saying about conservationists and legitimate hunters is that they are not enemies, much to the contrary in fact.

            Most hunters who buy tags legally are participating in conservation of some sort in the united states. The South African government has stated that the relationship is similar in Africa.

            Lion is NOT small animal. While animals can range from smaller than a mouse to the size of a blue whale (largest animal that has ever existed), most places in the US generally consider anything larger than a mule deer (140 lbs) to be a large game mammal.

            I don’t know what squalls are.. do you mean squirrels? Many people eat squirrels, and some species do not taste anything less than delicious (some are just bad).

            If you show me REAL evidence that melissa bachman had to take 3-4 shots to take that lion down, you MIGHT convince me that she is not a great shot.. I still don’t think that proves that she is anything less than ethical..

          • African Cheetah

            Hi Robbert, Sorry she shot the lion a few times.. The video was cute.. And yes the LEGAL hunters work close together with conservation but not all and not all of them are legal.. And do not believe all that you read, especially when it comes from the government.. Ask them the evidence. If they say it rains out side then you better go and have a look for yourself.. Not always true what they say.. I know you trust them and respect that, but it is not really so easy like they say.. Everything comes with a price tag here.. And no us adults don’t shoot squirrels and birds and little animals.. We leave that to the children to learn to hunt.

          • brrady

            I love shooting redsquirrels. whats your adress ill mail you like ……20 heads? will that work for you

          • buck

            my dog eats them

          • Robert Campbell

            An ethnocentric and worthless thought.

          • Wolfie Sab

            Ethnocentric – How is my remark race related?
            Worthless – in what way is it worthless?

            Do you understand the concept of having morals or do you believe that morality only applies when dealing with human interactions.

            Can you please explain to me what you think is morally acceptable about killing for the enjoyment of killing?

          • Robert Campbell

            I did not say race related, I said ethnocentric.. meaning that you are making broad and false judgments about other cultures from the standards of your own culture. It leads to flawed logic, and assumes that you have any sort of moral authority here. Overgeneralized judgement against hunters, Americans, or anyone else you feel like throwing into the mix based on your ethnocentric false logic is not of any worth to anyone, save to express a petty and weak sentiment… worthless.

            I indeed understand the concept of having morals. I also understand the concept of having an education, which I suggest you look into.

            It is morally acceptable to hunt, to take pleasure in your hunt, in your kill. It is an ancient and honorable practice, going back further than the human race. If you believe that predators take no pleasure in their kills, you are a fool. We are predators, check your digestive tract.

            Hunting is hard work, at the successful end of a difficult task you are supposed to feel good. At the end of a hunt you are supposed to feel good. Would you rather hunters lay their heads down in shame?? You are living in a fantasy world.

        • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

          They day I stop “enjoying” hunting is the day I stop hunting. Yes I enjoy hunting and am not afraid to admit it. Hunting has alot more to do then just killing animals. You lady are fugging clueless.

          • Wolfie Sab

            Evil is as evil does it would seem

        • Wolfie Sab

          I really hate to do this but, as much as I detest the hunting mindset, I have to disagree with you on one thing. I understand that their may be some satisfaction achieved in subsistence hunting, putting food on the table etc. However there is no honour in taking pleasure from killing for “sport”.

        • Germ

          If there is ever a disaster or event that throws the world into anarchy, people like you will not survive.

      • Wolfie Sab

        No we are judging her by her actions. There is no glory or honour involved in trophy hunting. You can dress it up or strip her down, it makes no difference to me. Beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes right down to the bone!

    • Annie

      Jealous Much ?

      • Wolfie Sab

        hardly!

    • Chris Glisson

      She’s as phony as her cronies.
      Come with me on foot into the Kaokoveld in Namibia and let’s see how long that g-string lasts without the need of a wash !
      One on one with the animals. And avoiding the predators to hunt edible game.
      This is a money making racket at the expense of endangered animals.
      And don’t give me that overpopulated bullshit. It is you that have moved into their domain and forced them into camps.
      Only thing that’s overpopulated is your species. Start culling them, then you’ll get some respect from me.

      • PaulPiere #thetruth

        So being an egotistical pig is ok though? If we are overpopulated maybe you should take the first step and off yourself….

      • African Cheetah

        Chris Glisson.. That is how I feel.. Thanks you nailed it.. Respect comes from both ways like my mother taught me…

      • Wolfie Sab

        That is exactly the same fate as they dished out to the Native Americans. Forced them off their ancestral homelands into reservations then hunted their prey almost to extinction. Now they are doing exactly the same in Africa.

        • John smith

          comparing apples to oranges!!!!

          • Wolfie Sab

            Because you are doing the same to apples as you have historically done to oranges. I am comparing actions not objects. If I throw stones at your house and then come back another day and throw stones at your car. I would be wrong to do both. Further more, if I threw stones at you house and got prosecuted for doing it, would I not be an idiot if I came back and did the same thing to your car?

        • barfuss

          wow, wolfie. You take your history, with a dose of Disney?

          • Wolfie Sab

            And your version is?

          • John Smith

            Outlaw hunting and let’s see how long it takes before people in Lets say DC or LA start getting there car tires and mirrors chewed off by starving, pitifully emaciated (cervids) That is, deer elk etc. If wildlife is not controlled by hunting in the US. populations of animals would explode, thus causing much more suffering to the animals via. diseases inbreeding food shortages causing starvation. Stop hunting and urban areas will see a drastic increase in car and home damage, Which is exactly what is happing in many urban places. And for all you vegan trolls out there If you don’t have anything better to do that surf the internet and spread trashy uninformed rubbish to all the ethical hunters out there. Go get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • buck

            agreed… wolfie is clearly a fanatic or a troll. his ignorant posts are starting to make me think he is some butt hurt troll.

          • Bucko

            Wow, so you say that hunters are only protecting the cars? This must be the biggest crock of bullshit I’ve ever heard. So lions chewed up your tires? Kill the lions, kill the buffaloes, kill the turkey… I do not know much about Indians and buffaloes since I am from Europe. But facing the “dangerous” antlers with a sniper rifle and saying it was a sport or some vermin control? Say, why don’t try using bazooka, or napalm?

          • slayer

            because they wanted to use some part of the animal? a bazooka obviously their wouldnt be much left. he is saying that hunters help maintain healthy ecosystems and more specifically implying cervid species (deer) in the u.s. if populations are too dense they die from disease (see CWD and other cervid pandemics in the u.s. and its effects on deer populations). it is a calculated and a known fact that a rise in deer population causes like 10 billion in property damage in the u.s. and like 200 fatalities (last data i read) for every deer struck by a car hunters killed 6.

          • Bucko

            So, the bazooka thing was an irony! However, I’d tried looking up about the CWD, and other cervid pandemics, and I see it is a modern disease localized in Northern America. And, yes, hunting may help as a prevention from spreading of this disease, but it certainly is not a cure for it. As for the lions, they live in Africa and are not known to be susceptible to CWD. So what is the excuse for hunting them down? What is the excuse for breading animals only to be shot? And what is our excuse for usurping all of their natural habitat? Theirs, and that of the cervids? No, I’m not convinced. I still think that hunters are egoistic creatures. That most of them are, anyway. Just remember. There are many excuses why one could kill an animal that need not be killed, but there are twice as many reasons for not killing one. The first one being: It needs not to be killed!!!

          • African Cheetah

            There are lions here that have disease.. There are not many wild lions left, they do not meet other wild lions to bread with and bring in another bloodline.. So the danger comes from inbreeding and because of that there immune systems can’t fight viruses so well… The wild lions are dying and that because of poachers that is looking for cubs to sell to these hunting farms and disease. The lionesses are killed cut up and sold to what ever China want or any other middle east country wants and the cubs are sold.. They are growing up tamed and tourists loves it. And if they are big enough, they are released in to bigger enclosures for a year or two and then sold for hunting.. Have not heard about hunting farms that has lions to be released in to the wild again.. That is so not true… That is way they are called hunting farms. Everything is for hunting..

        • Al del Vecchio

          Yes Wolfie, if we whacked all the Indians we wouldn’t have a problem. Just you wait, it’s coming

        • John Smith

          Wolfie do you need a history lesson. Killing the buffalo and forcing the natives onto reservations, was a US Government agenda. Not an agenda that modern conservation and regulated hunting are responsible for. Don’t blame it on the hunters, Blame the Government.

      • Germ

        Have no sympathy for a predator, specially since it would maul you to death without a second thought. Why so eager to defend something that would devour you as lunch without a care. Far as I’m concerned fuck them, the world won’t be a different place with them gone.

        • Educate Yourself

          The fact that captive bred lions placed in wilderness areas to shoot does not make them predators. The person shooting them is just a killer shooting confused animal for a head. All the bones from that are given to feed the poaching industry.

          You obviously don’t know or care anything about preserving precious wildlife for other generations. Why don’t you educate yourself a bit.

          http://blog.sunsafaris.com/2013/05/10/lions-turn-your-adulation-into-activism/

          • slayer

            your calling at 32 square mile private hunting reservation a canned hunt? they actively manage and keep a healthy heard balance within their own property and choose to cull excess prey and predators by selling hunts. the money paid they use to help manage and maintain a healthy ecosystem within their property and combat poaching… lions are not endangered and the reason they are considered “Vulnerable” is not from trophy hunters who travel their to hunt. it is africas own citizens who kill them for the only reason to protect livestock and their land and that is the true threat to lions… game reserves will always try to maintain a healthy balance on their own property so they can profit from tourism and hunts. if the time came to help them rebound from endangerment it is more than likely lions will be trapped and transplanted on these reservations and transplanted to other areas until the species rebounds. to which case it will most likely grow until boundary encroachment occurs again and africas poachers begin to kill them off again… i bet hunters and conservationists will be the ones on the front line funding and helping them back, ironically by your minds eye.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            Obviously another expert long-time African resident that knows all about the challenges of Africa, what goes on there, the laws or lack of, the politics, governments, issues.

            African lions face many challenges there and one of the most destructive ones is trophy hunting and people who think they are not endangered. Wow.

            http://www.cannedlion.org/1/post/2013/11/melissa-bachman-and-the-rape-of-africa.html

            http://blog.sunsafaris.com/2013/05/10/lions-turn-your-adulation-into-activism/

            http://blog.sunsafaris.com/2013/06/21/this-is-why-trophy-hunting-will-not-save-our-lions/

          • buck

            read real research and not activist blogs.

            all the long term residents? omg your ignorance is so mind blowing.

            http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15951/0

            a compilation of studies and research. “the number ONE threat to lions is the “long term residents” you speak of.

            “The main threats to Lions are indiscriminate killing (primarily as a result of retaliatory or pre-emptive killing to protect life and livestock) and prey base depletion. Habitat loss and conversion has led to a number of populations becoming small and isolated (Bauer 2008).” quoted from the above research.

            “Trophy hunting is carried out in a number of sub-Saharan African countries and is considered an important management tool for providing financial resource for Lion conservation for both governments and local communities. However, there is concern that current management regimes can lead to unsustainable offtakes (Packer et al.2006).” quoted from the above research.

            i would also like to say, it stated on the protected private lands where lions are protected (and cull hunts available) lion populations actually flourish and prosper through active conservation efforts, funded by whom? trophy hunters….

            THEY ARE NOT considered endangered, if africas citizens dont combat poachers or people who unethically kill them they will not have lions at their OWN accord. not trophy hunters dumb ass.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            I’ll tell you the same thing I just said to Sayer:

            The word ignorant is sure flung around a lot by those who are not supported by others. Well, there are now 340K ignorant people who are making big changes in regards to this issue, on FB. Compare that to the 45K brilliant trophy killing folks who call everyone else ignorant when people have different “facts” then they do.

            That’s a really loose word “activist”
            You think people that have developed successful programs in building fences and other helpful things to keep predators from killing livestock and also introduced insurance programs for local farmers to be compensated for any loss of livestock (which has greatly reduced human killing of lions) is a stupid activist type thing to do? These people have tirelessly worked on trying to fix some of the destructive things that trophy hunters and poachers have created, and they have had some success.

            I would call you the same thing, but I won’t bother

          • slayer

            as i just stated above, a facebook like count is nothing, if anything some of what your supporters have said hurts the publics opinion of you guys more than anything.

            in SOME instances that has proven to be effective, but you know what has been proven to be a lot more beneficial to the lion populations. private ranches that offer cull hunts. you are trying to lump to entirely different things into the same boat.

            Yes lion populations are dropping for lions in unprotected zones.

            NO this has absolutely nothing to do with trophy hunters

            YES lion populations on those private grounds where hunting is legalized those lions numbers remain steadily inclining and healthy…

            wait what? i hope you have the common sense to understand and acknowledge this fact.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            Oh no, I’m one of the ignorant ones and you’re brilliant. Now, with all that knowledge – GO VOLUNTEER TO HELP agencies in Africa fix this problem.

          • slayer

            when the obviousness of facts overwhelms a closed minded individual they only have one reply, blatant, nonconstructive, attacks at a person…

            i bet if those 340k people you spoke of each paid 5 dollars that would help, or if they went over and helped thesmelves. dont see so many eager ones than i bet ya.

          • African Cheetah

            Sayer, she shot a lion that was eating a peace of meat hanging form a tree.. That is not true hunting.. In the first place that is not how our natives and we in Africa do it.. You follow the lion by tracking him.. Looking for foot prints and stuff.. And most of the time it takes days or weeks to find him.. Not jump in the car and go kill a lion quickly. I want to be back to watch my show on TV.. This was a lion already tracked by the natives before and kept there by the peace of meat provided form him.. Is that true hunting skills??? You are only a hunter if you do it the right way.. She is not a hunter.. She is trigger happy babe. No skills. No hunter, just a shooter. Anybody can, just shoot.. Hunting takes skill..

          • Robert Campbell

            We’ve got top people on the job. One of them recently stalked a lion within 60 yards on a great day of hunting.

          • Robert Campbell

            Lumping trophy hunters and poachers into the same category makes a fool of you. You are killing your own credibility faster than lion hunters can reload.

          • Independentrd

            Facebook is not exactly a reservoir or wellspring of intelligence/knowledge, but rather a group of emotional, liberal young people, many with degrees, but uneducated in the ways of the world…and maybe a few old agitators.

            Pick any topic and you will get a hoard of “popular” agreement (or opinion) based on nothing more than emotion with little scientific fact on which to base their conclusions.

          • June

            Thank you!!! If it is not lions with these people, it would be something else. Look at Under Wild Skies, with Tony Makris. Read some of the disgusting, sensational headlines from ignorant bloggers, i.e., “Dude Shoots Elephant In Face.” This nitwit wouldn’t have a clue about elephant hunting. Where else do you shoot an elephant?

            These, “I want everyone to think and act like me, group thinkers, are nothing more than, useful idiots.” They want to be relevant, that is why they have their long noses in the business of everyone, who is not a follower of their paradigmatic thinking. Marxists have been in control of every large American city for decades, how has that worked out? Whatever these people touch, it turns to a dunghill!

            Now they think that through a plethora of lies and deceit, they will stop “All” hunting. Make no mistake about it, this has been their goal all along. As a life long hunter, I say, don’t try to befriend these pathological misfits. Fight them with logic and facts, which is something they will avoid, like Dracula to a Christian Cross. What makes me so angry with these latte drinking, vegan eating know it all, teat sucking little useful idiots is, the food that is taken from a kill is used to feed starving, hungry African people. Yet, these elitist slobs never want to talk about that. It disgust me to think they would rather see a family go hungry, then to kill an elephant, legally, or a lion; and give hungry human beings, “Free, Fresh Meat.”

            The sickness of these people is so palpable! Nevertheless, don’t give them anything that would truncate your rights as an American hunter!

          • Independentrd

            You are welcome!
            If the animals are getting near livestock and people they will be killed either by paid hunting or poison.

            With dangerous game, I’d think baiting would be preferable to poison which would be use if the animal is considered a threat and that would likely ruin the meat as well.

            So what is preferable for these people. Paid hunting which brings in money to poor areas and using bait in some instances, or poison which kills indiscriminately and leaves the meat to rot, with the natives getting nothing.

            Here in Michigan, hunting is one of the state’s major industries. Being relatively close to population centers puts a lot of hunters in the woods that are a bit different than the locals. However with managed hunting, our deer herd has grown tremendously.

            When I was hunting, we were only allowed one mature buck with a minimum of spikes 3 inches long IIRC.

            I don’t know what the limits were last fall, but a couple years ago hunters could take 3 with 2 being does.

            The Northern part of the state is not exactly the high rent district and three deer per family really helped those people with the grocery bills.. These are people who just go out back and “bring home the bacon” so to speak. Their hunting costs a box of shells, and saves a lot of money, compared to the hundreds or thousands the big city and out-of-state hunters spend.

            Of course the huge crowd of hunters in the woods has made it a somewhat hazardous sport with a few hunters never making it home.

            Groups, lacking better sense, have been known to harass hunters. The State takes a very dim view of this and has passed laws protecting the hunters.

            When PETA anounced they were buying drones to harass hunters the state advised against it as it’s dangerous and at best they might lose their toys. It could get expensive if they get caught as the penalties could be harsh..

            I agree, it appears they wish to stop all forms of hunting with no rational thought as to what the loss of these programs would bring. Would they rather see a pack of domestic dogs, hamstring a deer and start eating while it’s still alive, or a quick death to put meat on someones table? Nature rarely kills in a humane way. Use bait to give the natives fresh meat, or poison said animal to clear the area?

            Unfortunately feelings run high and like politics, few can maintain a rational discourse.

            It may sound strange to some, but many of these rural people would rather hunt for food, than to go on welfare and food stamps.

          • Independentrd

            Lets look at insurance for farmers to compensate them for livestock lost to Lions. What do we gain? Well the farmer does receive compensation for lost animals, but what about a Lion. Normal fences are no deterrent and now that the farmer doesn’t call for hunters to help, the predator quickly realizes it has found a new food source with plenty to choose from.

            So now the farmer is losing more head of cattle that soon makes it impossible to maintain a herd.

            But something else is very likely to happen. The predator is going to lose any fear it had of humans and civilization. What sets humans apart from the cattle. They are after all, just protein on the hoof even if they do stand upright, but they don’t run near as fast and are a whole lot easier to catch.

            Do Lions ever become man killers?

            Basically when they run out of food, or a food source draws them into close proximity of humans such as the farmer no longer actively protecting his herd? Every time they raid the herd they come into relatively close contact with humans that smell like food. Then they come into direct contact with a human. Maybe it was curiosity, or an accident. But all of a sudden humans are an easy source of food.

            All because some well meaning person provided the farmer insurance so he didn’t have to directly protect his herd. This is not stretching a point. The key is an easy food source in close proximity to humans.

            So the well meaning person didn’t save the Lion, they set the stage for creating a man eater that ends up dead anyway, but cost the lives of humans as well.

          • George Price

            slayer – what an IDIOT !! get your lazy butt off the couch and see for yourself what “hunting” is all about BEFORE condemning others !

          • George Price

            Educate Yourself – you MUST be a Democrat because no Conservative would ever spew such misguided lies as “facts”

        • George Price

          Germ – PERFECTLY stated !!!

        • MORTIS

          Man you are one very sorry individual. You must have been beaten or sexually molested as a child.
          Life is as “dirty and ugly” as each us chooses to make it. Other than that, its pointless debating anything you’ve said.

        • patriot156

          a against anti hunters and their agenda your statement is wrong. Makes us look bad as well

        • N Carter

          yea, you are an idiot if you think a lion stands a chance against a rifle or if you thought michelle was ever in any danger whatsoever.

        • Eireboy63

          your screen name is quite apt based on the sentiments you express….”not for sport of for pelts, but because I can” It’s you who should be eradicated, and all who share your nihilist outlook on the world at large.

    • Willem Frost

      Sorry, but you got it all wrong. Photographic safaris can never produce the same level of income as hunting. I know – I have practical experience of both consumptive and non-consumptive use of wildlife in Africa.

      • African Cheetah

        Ya Hunting bring millions. I gest the other way protects the species just to much..

        • Willem Frost

          You still don’t seem to get it: the hunters are the primary conservationists in Africa. I am in the hunting business because I am a conservationist. The World Conservation Union/ Species Survival Commission is also supportive of hunting provided it is done in a sustainable and controlled fashion. The anti-hunting campaign seems to be driven by city slickers who are simply no longer in touch with the natural world.

          • African Cheetah

            Now that I believe in 200% no a 1000%. Thank you, thank you thank you…… I get the idea we were miss understanding each other… I believe in what you just said. O my goodness and I thought you were think like the city slickers.. You gave me so much hope for our animals.. I almost cried of relief..

          • African Cheetah

            Its just that some of these hunters here do not do it we think… And that is my worries..

          • African Cheetah

            A few weeks ago I read something on a news page on the internet.. That Botswana conservationist said. That they hunt like they want, “Now worries” said the man.. “Namibia has a lot.” he said.. Like if he just can go over the border and fetch… That made me furious. Why should one country look after his animals and the other not… Mosambiek, Botswana, SA, you can say all of the countries around Namibia has problems. And now the stair Namibia in the face.. HELP!! So stupid.. We are living in peace and harmony here.. Always Namibia is inflicted in everything, war, apartheid and now the animals.. We have a lot so pick on Namibia again again.. We strip of apartheid we strip of war and now we have to fight for our animals. We live in peace and harmony. Can’t they just do it right and leave us alone..

          • African Cheetah

            I am not a vegan.. I eat meat. Infect I love it very much.. But al of you guys think away thing is a okey here. There is a lot of corruption here. What is your bluming point that I can not fight for our animals..

          • African Cheetah

            All I am saying be careful with how you do business with, there is a lot of corruption.. And if we do not watch out, our animals is also going to be endangered or extinct.

          • African Cheetah

            And I am not fighting about it and calling names.. You are the one fighting.. I am only warning people about all that is going on.. My goodness you Americans, always fighting and not talking about things..

          • Wolfie Sab

            Americans only talk with guns. All they know is killing.
            They are the most fake, superficial, warmongering nation on earth.
            If they put as much time, effort and money into keeping the guns out of their children’s hands as they do making sure their teeth are straight and white, maybe they could save themselves.
            If the poorer countries of the world fed the grain crops they grow to their own people, instead of selling it to the yanks to fatten cows pigs and chickens, to make burgers and bacon to shove down the throats of their obese population, then there would be no starving children in the “third world”.
            They poison the world with their lousy fast food joints and piss week beer.
            America accounts for approximately 5% of the world’s population and roughly 24% of the world’s prison population. Yet they still insist that they are the greatest nation on earth and they don’t care who they have to kill to prove it.
            How far does a nation have to be up it’s own arse to refer to itself as “the real world”?

          • African Cheetah

            A lot of people feel that way about Americans… You should here the natives speak about them, but the best of all is they know how to weaken there harts and get a lot from them that way.. :-D :-D :-D But ya a lot of people feel that way about Americas ignorance, the way they say that they are always right.. And what they say go and nothing can stop them from thinking otherwise. I did not know other countries in the world feels the same.. Good to know.. :-)

          • brady

            AMERICANS IGNORANCE? AFricans have been killing each other and waring between themselves for many many years. eating the hearts of innocent children and then going into battle. I cant take this stupidity anylonger. I hope your not saying african behavior is better than americans because thats just unreal. at least we are civil and dont eat each other.

          • buck

            cheetah must not know much of his own history.. Menghistu (ethiopia, 1975-78). killed what an estimated 1.5 million his people through genocide. jean kambanda convicted of genocide (rawanda 1994) some 800k estimated. robert mugabe (zimbabwe) some 3 million in nigerian civil wars, the congo, not to mention all the countries closest to the middle east. africa is riddled with violence since its ancient days, since before america even existed. entire tribes killed millions, women children, even their dogs. because they could. they are one of the few countries that actively have tribes who cut off women’s clitorises. please do not call my country war mongering and barbaric. we ship billions in aid to you, but yet i guess everything wrong that has ever occurred to your people was the result of foreigners? so quick to point fingers…

          • African Cheetah

            You ship it to the African countries that is at war.. And yes that is how SOME tribes do it.. Looks like speciously in the North of Africa.. And yes the tribes in the South of Africa did it like that… like in what???… when we landed here.. I have got a word or two for you.. Thy got civilized because of us.. And yes there are still tribes here that are very cruel.. But did you not also had the tribes that sculpt people and all that jazz.. I thing…. you killed …..all of them. And how captured Africans and dragged them to America to ….. enslave them.. You.. Ya .. you also have your fare share of cruelty.. BUT not to point finger and stuff.. Lets leave that.. It is a total new era we live in now.. Why bring out the past…………………………………… that far.. We were not even here jet.. But I see you do know what we had to go throw when we got here.. And we still did not kill hole tribes.. We had war, yes.. But we always tried our best to preserve Africa and all that was here.. Not kill everything we see.. Yes there was a time that it got out of hand.. And you came in and saved the day.. Thank you.. But now you think “it is ours to do with what we want now..” Let me tell you something, the war in South Africa has just begun.. They have the biggest crime rate in the world, but the jails are empty.. Why is that.??? They want to get that same people that helped them build roads, cities and all that is modern to this world, out.. They just new hunting before we came to Africa. They do not know how to do crops and stuff.. We taught them to be civilized and do all kinds of things.. Some went so far as to become doctors and good business men.. And they think that the man that sits on the government thrown are stupid and lucky.. Because some of them do not even have grade 4… And they had to work hard and study, but this government man gets a doctors grade just because.. To frame all of this.. Where are you from.. THE 16th century.

          • African Cheetah

            Are you freaking kidding me.. Where did you just come from or in this case a few days ago.. We do not eat that kind of meat.. You sick person… Jug!!! You are were miss informed about Africa dud… Where did you hear this sick story.. We are human beings.. Not animals.. When the American Untag came here they did not even think we had roads and bridges. Is this what you were telling each other how Africa is..???? Weird…!!!!

          • Jen

            Wolfie — I and my family think hunting for pleasure is disgusting, and we are Americans. Of course there are many people in many different countries that would support Melissa Bachman’s disgusting behavior — don’t assume everyone in our country feels the same way. There are good and bad people in EVERY country.

          • buck

            on earth? you sir are as ignorant as they come… save themelves from what? America protects its citizens well and that of many other nations. if it weren’t for them i doubt your wasteful life would even exist.

            as for nations feeding their own people, seriously? america exports more than any other country in terms of corn, soybeans, wheat, to feed other nations.

            population/ incarceration is whos definition of greatness? we talk with guns… less than 35% of american homes have guns. if the world were to run rampant who knows how many more genocides would take place.

            its fanatics like you with zero tolerance for others beliefs or ideals that is the worlds problem. you feel the need to offer nothing but a closed mind and open mouth, contributing to nothing. its concepts like that have caused millions to die, including animals. you place so much value on animal and human life yet disregard plants as you so often boast about your vegan life.

            who gives a shit, you kill plants to eat others kill animals. its what we were built to do. those mega farms that produced the soy to feed your dumb ass probably destroyed hundreds of acres of habitat for animals… if your so eager to commit genocide of humans to make room for animals, why are you still alive?

          • brady

            hti the nail on the head, but im sure it didnt sink in, this fool is DENSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe. head like a rock yo

          • African Cheetah

            What countries are you feed again.. Did not catch that one..

          • brady

            my child will grow up with a gun, and less crime will happen because of it. she will be able to defend herself as everyone should be able to. what the hell is wrong with this guy. hating on americans. ANd what country are you from? CRAZYVILLE?

          • Wolfie Sab

            The UK, where we have next to zero gun crime because because we have next to zero private gun ownership.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yi-LvnM_5M

          • Germ

            The UK has the highest violent crime in Europe actually, and gun crime is high there also. And gun crimes sky rocketed after the ban. I’m going to end with, a U.S. soldier would never be beheaded in a American street with a entire crowd of people watching it happen. And by the way, your country is one of the worst in history, tried to enslave the world. And you all are controlled by your government, they tell you when to shit, when to drink, how to think, when to sleep it must be great.

          • slayer

            you need to do some research old man before you open your mouth and boast about your country. less gun crime perhaps but you blow europe away in violent crime (and the u.s.) and by violent crime i mean “murder violence against the person, with injury serious sexual offenses and robbery” note this is not the u.k.s definition of violent crime which includes all crimes against a person. this is all the data pooled from those categories for the u.s. and england/ wales (also note this does not include scotland and ireland which then the statistic jumps more so against the u.k.

            the data for violent crime as i described is as follows 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people in in england/ wales. 383 violent crimes per 100,000 in the u.s.

            note this is also reported crime, throw in surveys conducted adding unreported crime and the data drastically goes up and is still well in favor of the u.s.

            so simply, take away guns a violent crime still continues, and if your country is an example, victims have no defense…

          • Wolfie Sab

            Yes I know, that’s because we have far too many Chavs, pikeys and a binge drinking culture. The difference being that our violent crimes don’t involve homicidal gun wielding fuckwits.

            How do the homicide rates compare?

            England and Wales (I’m English). 2011 homicide rate of 1.0 per 100,000 population.
            USA 2011 homicide rate 4.7 per 100,00.

            This is probably because when we fight we use our fists and don’t hide behind a fucking gun.

          • slayer

            lol a criminal is a criminal regardless of fist or gun, and violent crime is just that. you use slang and what not terms to condemn minorities within your populace for its problems? i mean really? that is about the most ignorant thing a human could do. i believe hitler did the same, condemning a minority and going on a crusade to solve societies problems. if the violent people in your population (which is exceedingly higher than the u.s.) had access to guns that statistic would be very different?

            here is some interesting research…

            “===1. Fact: The murder rates in many nations (such as England) were ALREADY LOW BEFORE enacting gun control. Thus, their restrictive laws cannot be credited with lowering their crime rates.1

            2. Fact: Gun control has done nothing to keep crime rates from rising in many of the nations that have imposed severe firearms restrictions.

            * Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, “Since Australia’s 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%.”2

            * Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. “The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic,” says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. “Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted.” 3

            * England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.4

            * Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say “Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low.”5

            3. Fact: British citizens are now more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States:

            * In 1998, a study conducted jointly by statisticians from the U.S. Department of Justice and the University of Cambridge in England found that most crime is now worse in England than in the United States.

            * “You are more likely to be mugged in England than in the United States,” stated the Reuters news agency in summarizing the study. “The rate of robbery is now 1.4 times higher in England and Wales than in the United States, and the British burglary rate is nearly double America’s.”6 The murder rate in the United States is reportedly higher than in England, but according to the DOJ study, “the difference between the [murder rates in the] two countries has narrowed over the past 16 years.”7

            * The United Nations confirmed these results in 2000 when it reported that the crime rate in England is higher than the crime rates of 16 other industrialized nations, including the United States.8===”

            So quite frankly your logic is moot, all countries have done that have increased gun control have made it easier for criminals to commit crimes. as the statistics show…

          • African Cheetah

            :-D :-D :-D gooooood one…

          • African Cheetah

            Is that crime you are speaking of the assault like bumping your toe or are you speaking of real murders crimes and rape. Think about that.. America has the biggest number of jailed people in the world… Think about that.. You are so full of yourself by just always speaking good of yourselves.. Like you do nothing wrong..

          • African Cheetah

            :-D :-D :-D SWEET !!!!

          • Germ

            You’re a idiot, seriously, how did you make it to old age without getting hit crossing the street.

          • Wolfie Sab

            and who are you calling old?

          • Guest

            :-D :-D :-D good one.. Thank you..

          • Robert Campbell

            Oh boy! Lessons on conservation from the UK? Let’s see, how are your native predator populations doing?? Shucks.. looks like no one should bother following your extermination itinerary.

            American’s prison populations and gun violence are much higher than the UK (Red Herring = logical fallacy) okay.. I would rather take lessons on how to have a non-violent society from a pack of hungry dogs.

            The rate of violent crime in the UK is significantly higher than that of the US.. pretty impressive since we’re a bunch of gun-toting warmongers with jam packed prisons eh??

            Since you’re less likely to get raped, mugged, or have your house broken into in the US than the UK, maybe those guns in the hands of ordinary citizens isn’t such a bad idea?

            Maybe a country known for having one of the largest, and most cruel empires in the history of our planet should calm down and step off their high horse??

            America is composed of people from all walks of life. Natives, poor people, racist people, rich people, businesses people, and even people from other countries. Your willingness to lump us all together for the sake of being judged by you is ridiculous. You are a fool to treat us all the same and you are a bigger fool to think that your culture is any better than ours.

          • Wolfie Sab

            Or maybe I should learn to stick to non-human animal concerns and not give in to my anger. I concede on this matter.

          • Robert Campbell

            Anger is costing both sides too much in this argument and I admit to being no better than anyone else in this emotional weakness. We may disagree about many things but I respect your passion and I am grateful for the opportunity to communicate with people across the world. Best wishes.

          • Wolfie Sab

            I am Vegan and the idea of killing animals to save a species from extinction is ridiculous to me. Humans take from the earth and give back nothing. We spread like a virus and destroy everything we touch because of greed and our evil ways.
            We overpopulate and kill animals because they are in our way. We kill animals for fun and then we spread some more and kill more animals. We herd them into a fraction of what was their natural habitat and we still need more room to infest with our presence. So we kill some more of them. And now they want to kill more animals to “save” them. I don’t fucking think so!
            The best thing that the human race can do to save the animals is to eradicate ourselves from this planet while it still lives.

          • Willem Frost

            If you dislike Homo sapiens and America so much, why don’t you go live in some backward third world country and become a camel or donkey? Looking at the rubbish and foul language that you contribute to this blog, both America and our species would be better of.

          • Wolfie Sab

            better off

          • John Smith

            Did you just say we humans kill animals for fun and spread and kill more for fun!!? Stop destroying the habitat, Heah, I totally agree. Housing developments and industry destroying the farm land. The demand for wood products eradicating the trees. Heah, i agree with that!!! But that killing for fun Part, Nah!! I don’t agree with that one.

          • john smith

            Move back to britain!!

          • African Cheetah

            If we all picked up and left.. These countries will go aground or barley survive.. .. My great granddad an grandmother were Scottish and Irish.. So that means we have great upbringing and good manners.. :-) But they came here for a reason and I love the country I was born in.. I love the animals and natives and everything about this country.. (And this country is not SA. So by the way.) And my other side of the family were here form the 1800, Why should I go.. We have been here so long. I am African, born and raised. And proud of it.. And everything is so modernised up there, I will never fit in.. And a another thing, I really do not think you have the space for all of us.. :-) But thanks, we will consider it wen we get kicked out like Zimbabwe’s people were kicked out..

          • Willem Frost

            And a very good day to you too. Moron!

          • Wolfie Sab

            No, you are in the hunting business to make money. If you didn’t make money from it you wouldn’t be doing it.

            When you can come back and say “I am actively involved in conservation with no vested interest in the killing of wild animals for financial gain”, I will listen to what you have to say.

          • Willem Frost

            You just don’t seem able to get it.
            I gave up a much more lucrative corporate career to do this and I am quite proud of it. If wildlife is to survive the 21st century, it will have to pay its way. So, off course I make some money out of it – that is the way to conserve habitat, eco-systems and species. As a result of this approach to conservation we now have more wildlife in this country than at time time in at least the last 125 years. Private land under wildlife management, as well as the number of game animals, outnumber that of the state owned parks and reserves by an estimated seven times. You can draw only one conclusion from this: here is a conservation model that works. But I guess you would rather have me remove all the game from all my land so that I can put it the plough to grow wheat, corn and potatos for you city slickers.
            Even the national parks is a financial undertaking; they have to generate funds and run on a very tight budget. They also have to get rid of surplus animals and these are sometimes hunted or sold live to be hunted elsewhere. A world famous park had a first class canning factory to process surplus elephant and buffalo that were culled.
            Two of the many causes of the demise of Africa’s wildlife are (i) the fact that there is not enough private land and wildlife ownership to allow sustainable utilization of the wildlife resource, and (ii) that many of the conservation areas are not able to generate sufficient cash flow.
            So, please stop talking crap to me. You don’t really know what you are talking about.

          • barfuss

            Good on you for speaking the truth so plainly, Willem. Kudos to you.

          • Germ

            Who cares, if lions go extinct it will make no difference. Other then people won’t see them on safaris anymore, and won’t be eaten alive by them anymore. Species going extinct is the way of the world, it’s the natural order of things. What’s not natural is human beings preserving species in camps ans zoos just so people can get their rocks off looking at them in cages.

          • African Cheetah

            So it is NATURAL if HUMANS are the reason for extinction.. ???? And what are you talking about.. We have not had a killing by a lion in years.. They are in wild parks.. And we are not in that wild parks.. The last time I heard about a lion killing some one was about 4 or 5 years ago and it was a tamed lion.. Not even a wild lion.. The only time we have wild animals in our towns is at drought times.. And then it is bucks like the Kudu or Gems buck.. And last I herd a Leopard, but he was caught and released in to the wild again.. And he was only looking for a tree to lie under because it was very hot. No one got killed. People here get killed because of crocodiles and hippos. But most because of there own stupidity, like car accidents. We do not even have serial killers like you have. Only natives, animals and people that have been here for centuries, building the country up.. To a point that we can say it is still a wild county, but with a few towns. You have dear and elk that you have to control because you killed all the wolfs.. Lions is one of the big five.. Clearly you have now completion for what God made..

          • brady

            i am from northwest wisocnsin, i dont make money hunting, I make a freezer full of venison to feed my family. and there is nothing wrong with that. I only take shots i know will kill, eat what i kill. except for redsquirrels, those things are dead before they know it and they get tossed in the river for the muskies to eat. hahhaa dont give me that OH THE POOR LITTLE SQUIRREL either or i might bitchslap you

          • Germ

            Blow squirrels away for fun.

          • namvet382

            Brady, you hit the nail on the head. Most of us hunt for food. When shit gets real and the do-gooders can’t go to the store and buy their food, they will starve. I’m 66 years old and I hunt and fish. I can tan hides and make my own clothes. I will survive and the activists will die.

          • African Cheetah

            And that is the way we do it in Africa.. Kill for food.. And take a shot that is a kill shot. She shot the lion a few times before it was dead.. That just killed me. She is not a hunter and to round this of she do not even know how to shoot humanely.. That is just bloody offal. She is a bad shooter.. Poor animal.. You shoot to kill and that means the first shot. The first shot must be the last shot.. Good grief.. Hunter??? Wonder if she can track…

          • Eireboy63

            So Brady, you ever spend 5 or 10 thousand dollars to go hunt a deer, and then give the meat to the locals, instead of bringing it back home to your freezer. Well that’s what that dipshit woman, Melissa Bachman, did. She’s the one standing next in line for a bitchslap.

          • NOT SUSTAINABLE
          • African Cheetah

            O yeee… Told you… Africa.. full of corruption… And this is just the tip op the ice burg. There is more.. And everyone out there is helping them in this… You do not believe me…

          • Willem Frost

            And what might the source of this “great wisdom and insight be”?

          • Wolfie Sab

            I have still yet to get a straight answer from any of the many pro-hunt people to this question. Let’s see if I can get one from you.

            Why do wild animals need to be managed?

          • buck

            because if they didnt they could cause widespread damage and disease. because in modern day diseases and such can destroy animal populations if their numbers are not controlled. habitat confinement is one of the major causes of some animals to die from over population and spreading sickness to each other, much like pandemics that strike large human populations…

          • Willem Frost

            There are now more than 7 billion people on planet earth. Homo sapiens is the most successful species ever and has invaded all types of habitat. The space available for free roaming wildlife has shrunk considerable, especially over the last century. If you do not believe this you live in cuckoo land. If you can reduce the human population to what it was just 200 years ago, remove all the towns, cities, agricultural developments, roads, railroads, fences, power lines, pipelines, etc., then you may have your Utopia where wildlife can exist on endless tracts of land and water without interference of man. Until such time, though, we have to create conservation areas where the soil, plants and animals are managed. If we don’t do that the entire planet will end up as a wasteland. But for some inexplicable reason the bunny-huggers are dead against conservation. Presumably they prefer a world without any wildlife.
            In managing what is left of the natural world, we have a number of tools that can be used. Hunting is one of them. Wildlife do not exist in isolation; they are part of much larger eco-systems that can no longer function without the assistanc

      • Nikki Kristyl

        Oh yes they can and they do. Also, all the supposed money that trophy hunting brings in doesn’t go to the local economy like tourism.

        http://blog.sunsafaris.com/2013/05/10/lions-turn-your-adulation-into-activism/

        • slayer

          all the long term residents? omg your ignorance is so mind blowing.

          http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15951/0

          a compilation of studies and research. “the number ONE threat to lions is the “long term residents” you speak of.

          “The main threats to Lions are indiscriminate killing (primarily as a result of retaliatory or pre-emptive killing to protect life and livestock) and prey base depletion. Habitat loss and conversion has led to a number of populations becoming small and isolated (Bauer 2008).” quoted from the above research.

          “Trophy hunting is carried out in a number of sub-Saharan African countries and is considered an important management tool for providing financial resource for Lion conservation for both governments and local communities. However, there is concern that current management regimes can lead to unsustainable offtakes (Packer et al.2006).” quoted from the above research.

          i would also like to say, it stated on the protected private lands where lions are protected (and cull hunts available) lion populations actually flourish and prosper through active conservation efforts, funded by whom? trophy hunters….

          • Nikki Kristyl

            The word ignorant is sure flung around a lot by those who are not supported by others. Well, there are now 340K ignorant people who are making big changes in regards to this issue, on FB. Compare that to the 45K brilliant trophy killing folks who call everyone else ignorant when people have different “facts” then they do.

            http://blog.sunsafaris.com/2013/05/10/lions-turn-your-adulation-into-activism/

          • slayer

            so a facebook like count is your “formal” arguement for what is right and what not? what big changes do you speak of? the african government has stood up and said they supported the hunt 100%

            so far other than 340k people on facebook who feel the need to insult and bring in severe derogatory remarks have succeeded at nothing than a glorified whine fest. i havnt read anything that shows the united states gives a shit yet.

            the 340k you speak of consist of what .001% of the population (and i highly doubt that of all 340k they are from the u.s.) hunting is supported by 3 out 4 americans, roughly 10% of americans physically hunt.

            if you want to play numbers games look at real statistics and not some facebook like count.

          • slayer

            so a facebook like count is your “formal” arguement for what is right and what not? what big changes do you speak of? the african government has stood up and said they supported the hunt 100%

            so far other than 340k people on facebook who feel the need to insult and bring in severe derogatory remarks have succeeded at nothing than a glorified whine fest. i havnt read anything that shows the united states gives a shit yet.

            the 340k you speak of consist of what .001% of the population (and i highly doubt that of all 340k they are from the u.s.) hunting is supported by 3 out 4 americans, roughly 10% of americans physically hunt.

            if you want to play numbers games look at real statistics and not some facebook like count.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            The FB count simply shows how many people are against the needless trophy killing of animals. But I shouldn’t have to tell you that – you’re one of the brilliant ones – you can figure that out.

            Well if you haven’t read the latest polls, then you’re not as well-read as you say. And why don’t you go join the FB page to see how everything is going. No time or room here to apprise you of everything.

            But, here you go for some real statistics:
            “the majority of U.S. citizens want the African lion protected. A recent poll conducted by Synovate eNation found that 89.8 percent of Americans are supportive of the U.S. government taking action to prevent trophy hunting of African lions endangered with extinction. Additionally, 83.4 percent believe that the U.S. government should be supportive of international efforts to end the commercial trade of lion products.”
            Now that’s music to the ears; are you hearing this African Cheetah?

            And incidentally, I am not against hunting. Trophy killing and hunting are two different things.

          • slayer

            who says i am not apart of that conversation? i took part but honestly do you read what those people have to say. so full of hate and such vile hypocrites.

            first of all, the poll you cite was conducted and sent to its members of, that it how it compiled its statistics. furthermore it is used out of context and misleading. if lions were endangered of extinction americans would like to see those steps (well the activists who took the poll) if they BECAME endangered.

            the guy running the poll you cite: Jeff Flocken, DC Office Director, International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW;www.ifaw.org), which commissioned the poll.

            a highly influenced and funded by organization by animal rights activists. additionally, no other information is available on this poll. where was it taken, people chosen? ural or urban populations? not creditable at all.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            Oh – I am really getting to like you – you have spunk! Betcha we would actually get along :)

            Anyhoo – yes there are definitely some “passionate” people on that page for sure – have to admit that alright. But in all fairness, you get the same thing within the hunting community or any other topic like politics or abortion.

            Each person Is passionate about what they believe in, so that’s the way it goes. I am not sure how these studies are done in regards to polls; however, I believe these are directed only at WILD populations, which would make total sense.
            Whether or not the poll is credible, will likely be determined by the governing body it is presented to, so we’ll see how that goes.

            It would be great if there was a win win outcome for all people and animals involved: hunters, non-hunters, the people of Africa, and definitely, the lions.

          • slayer

            lol i do get along with you, never said i didnt ;) i can tell you from experience, the polls are conducted on a very small percentage of the population and try to claim an assumption the rest would emulate the same results if presented with the same poll. i can absolutely guarantee you i can ask a 1000 facebook friends from my home state in the u.s. if they saw that poll and they would all say no.

            i can also say that of those 1000 people if they were asked if an animal was to become endangered if they should limit the hunting practices on it and they would say YES

            as a hunter i understand this, i also understand how heard management and balancing small habitats works. i can guarantee you that hunters would do everything they could, and do, to help keep an animal alive for future generations.

            countless examples of hunters doing this in the u.s. exists. we dont have the widespread poaching as africa though. and where they copied the model of private land management like the u.s. africa has seen great success.

          • African Cheetah

            Funded by trophy hunters? O boy o boy, you are living in a very disillusioned, fairy tall world. Ha-ha-ha-ha is this what you read or sow with your own two eyes… ???

        • Willem Frost

          Who told you this nonsense?

    • African Cheetah

      Not a joke this is true what she is saying… Believe me.. You do not live here to see what we see.. You just se the nice things they want you to see.. But think of it this way.. How is the Zoeloe, Tosa, Damara, Boesman… that is so big on there traditions going to survive and eat when the economy drops again and there are now wild animals to hunt anymore.. No hunters to come and hunt and put food on there tables.. Most of them are labours that gets very little salary(Payment). They do still hunt to eat. Little are educated and live in big houses. They still live in huts or tin houses.. Think about that..

    • Nikki Kristyl

      The fact that she openly supports and engages in Canned “hunting” is reflective of the backlash she is receiving for doing so. The canned industry is despicable in what they do to cubs, lionesses, and lions. But people like her don’t care about life, just about their own sick thrill in gunning down a tame animal in an enclosed setting.
      http://blog.sunsafaris.com/2013/06/21/this-is-why-trophy-hunting-will-not-save-our-lions/

      http://www.cannedlion.org/

      http://www.lionaid.org/news/2013/11/the-furore-about-melissa-bachmans-lion-kill-in-south-africa-continues.htm

    • This Is Why

      The fact that she was well aware she was participating in a canned hunt is enough to justify the vitriol unleashed upon her. The practice of canned hunting is a living hell for these lions and anyone that knowingly supports this cruel industry is a target for hostile criticism in a world that is becoming increasingly intolerant of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dV5Lzb0hvg&list=PLNNQeJGWljO45LwY4gMaXRKUQ6awNkFAH

      After reading the arguments above, I cannot help but realize that anyone who loves to kill finds a way to justify it. I will not go into the smile itself, as there are so many things wrong with smiling when you know that you’ve just shot a captive lion and supported that brutal industry with the money you paid to do so. As well, argument #1 goes on to say how she graduated with honors. What does that have to do with anything? So did Ted Bundy; he was a very well-educated, handsome, personable individual, but that didn’t make him a good person.

      “a conscientious outdoorswoman” ? Again, those who participate in the brutal canned hunting industry (and then wear a smile) have no conscience.

      And no, she has not done anything illegal because Africa is basically running with lawlessness on the canned hunt issue. The laws there are in a mess and there are so many loopholes that lions can be bred in one Province and then conveniently transported to another where the regulations are lenient and bend more towards “put and take” hunting.
      And then we come to argument #2 …. the reason she has been called a “trophy” hunter is because she obviously IS one. The most extreme variety of trophy hunting is called “canned hunting” which is what she did when she paid to kill a captive lion.
      And as for the worn out argument #3 on “killing lions to preserve them” well, there is more data on this than there is the availability to write about it. The canned hunting industry breeds captive lions for slaughter and the lions’ whole existence in these breeding farms is basically a life of hell. I don’t think there is any good solution, except for keeping them alive, healthy, and protected for tourism but if you look at the whole picture of why there are no lions and other wildlife left in Africa, it is because of mankind who has killed them all. Seems to me the only animal that should be prevented from going to Africa are the human animals with guns.
      Why does mankind feel that he must kill, kill, kill everything? Not sure, but there won’t be much of a world left as long as the killing continues. “Managing” hunting by keeping these breeding farms of hell going is really sad. Why does every solution have to involve keeping hunting alive, especially when what Melissa (and others) did is not hunting; rather it is simply paying to execute a captive animal for some sort of gruesome inner need.
      I don’t feel bad that she has unleashed this wrath upon herself and other men and women that take part in the very cruel “canned” killings.
      The only good thing that can come of this now is if this brings attention to the deplorable conditions and greedy, scummy side of the canned “trophy” industry and help government move forward in finding ways to preserve wildlife and end poaching by banning imports of African trophies to dry up the market and implement some other measures. Everything takes time, but time is running out for Lions and other African wildlife and keeping them alive in horrific conditions in order to be shot and killed is not something that anyone wants to see.

      • African Cheetah

        What is it going to help.. Nothing will help.. No one will help us.. This page and most of his people don’t care.. People do not care.. This is offal.. No one believes me what is going on here.. Our animals is going to be hunt till extinction.. And no one is going to help.. Our governments do not care, they want to enrich them selves as individuals.. And all of these people help them, these hunters they help them. Hunters from our country and especially from other countries.. It is so heart breaking to finally realize it.. No one cares.. From no on you can call it legal-illegal hunting.. Because this is what it is..

        • Nikki Kristyl

          I understand your pain in watching this destroy your country and all the corruption involved. Don’t be disheartened as there are many good groups working towards this.

          No, we cannot turn off the desire of sick people to continue coming to Africa to get a “trophy”. Some trophy – a representation of a needless, demented killing. I hope those eyes stare back at them at night and they die a horrible death in the end.

          But we can stop the imports of trophy killings at the border. I know your government doesn’t do much to help because everyone is on the take. AND IT SURE DOESN’T HELP WHEN THE MELISSA’s OF THE WORLD DO THIS AND BRAG ABOUT IT!

          But the good thing is that there are a lot of people in power who do care – it is just getting laws changed and implemented which takes time – but time is running out for them.

          Some very much loved celebrities are now teaming up with some organizations to see what can be done and LOTS of us are signing petitions to get things moving. No, there is no help from this page, as these are mostly people that want to defend the practice of trophy killing mostly because of fear and ignorance as to the complete scope of ramifications it entails. But disregard this page as it is only a few people and the MAJORITY (like 89% from the last poll) of Americans want to have the lion protected. New things are happening now, so don’t give up.

          • slayer

            you condemn her trophy hunting then wish death upon her. your such a hypocrite and no better than what you describe. animals go on and off endangered species lists, numbers is what factors this. you keep claiming lions are “ENDANGERED” the are not, they are listed as “vulnerable”.

            further more you directly blame trophy hunting as the cause of lion numbers to decline. seriously, do you know how to read or are you just on the bandwagon? everywhere you look the reason lions are declining in numbers is from africas own people who poison meat carcasses to kill them, hunt and kill them without eating them. snare trap them and let them die long miserable deaths along with countless other methods they use to exterminate lions so they can:

            1) protect themselves and family
            2) protect livestock

            also farmers cultivating lands in africa as an attempt to generate more food to feed its people. NONE of this, ZERO, has anything to do with trophy hunters. Lion numbers ARE dropping drastically OUTSIDE unprotected areas. once again nothing to do with trophy hunters. like i said, they are doing very well and maintaining a healthy balance compared to oters.

            guess what, at some point africa is going to become a developed and industrialized continent. the only places lions and game will have will be the very small national refuges set aside for them. (if the government can fund and sustain them that is) beside the nationally protected, millions of acres of private game refuges offer homes to lions, and they pay for that with cull hunts.

            get over it and accept it, it is those trophy hunters who allow those private game reservations to exist. without them protected lion habitat would shrink to an abysmally small number.

            i think you know that though, i think half of these “anti” hunters have really no clue on how conservation and heard management works. you think by not culling a heard it allows for more of them to be alive am i right?

            first off, the small tracks of land and private game reservations the lions live on are comparatively small compared to “unhindered free range” a lot of other aspects you have to factor in like food they eat and the food that food eats. its a delicate balance and guess what, if too many lions lived in that range they would eat all their prey. then they would ALL die… culling one heard allows all of the species to maintain a healthy sustainable balance. which these game reservations have been doing for years.

            if you want to help lions get people to donate “BILLIONS” to buy as much private land you want and make it a refuge. fund the security for those animals from african poachers, and so on. and guess what, if you managed it, at some point, your apex predators will become over populated and need to be culled because the land can not sustain them. you can let them starve and rot or die slow from disease or you can make millions (as trophy hunting ranches do) to help maintain a healthy stable heard.

            i hope you are able to pull your heads out of your asses and actually read fact and use logic built for the 21st century. conservation requires just that.

          • Nikki Kristyl

            How long have you lived in Africa and dealt with all the politics, government, corruption, etc?
            I don’t wish death threats upon anyone, and yes, I realize that poisonings, etc do happen.

            That is ONE of the issues. The other TWO are poaching and trophy hunting.

            Since you have so much insight, I think you should offer your services to IFAW and other agencies because you single-handedly seem to be able to do what no one else has been able to for YEARS. I’m glad you can read and know everything.

          • slayer

            if you have not noticed, those are fanatical right wing organizations who do not listen to understanding.

            im not saying i dont love lions, people just dont grasp the aspect of conservation. especially when they have such a closed mind to the reality of the situation. if they wanted to truelly help lions millions of acres would be bought up and set aside to be managed for lions. but those fanatical activists only want one thing to feel important about something without understanding reality.

            you dont acknowledge any of the facts i point out and i address yours with valid counter points. im not trying to change your mind. im trying to show you what proper conservation is and its benefits. to date, every great system of animal management includes hunting. appalling to some, not to others. but to attack ones views with such fanaticism and hatred. contributes to nothing. try to understand the other side and base counter arguments on fact.

            and for the record, i see letting an animal rot and only collecting a choice part as disgusting. but the place where she shot the lion publicly stated they distribute the meat locally…

          • Nikki Kristyl

            ok – well said. Since you do point out about buying up acres, is there not someone, somewhere already doing so? I would think if this was indeed a solution, (and it does sound like a plan) then there should already be a plan in place for this somewhere in Africa, is there not? I would think that true conservationists would band together on this.
            And as for the hunting/conservation, it has seemingly worked well with other species, but not with the lion. As African Cheetah said somewhere, the big 5 are gone. And I don’t think the African government is the easiest organization to deal with on these matters – another piece of the problem.

          • slayer

            yes, in fact this is currently happening in africa as the original author who wrote this article said. i agree africa has trouble maintaining its natural resources which include animals. the are the second largest continent i believe broken up into a lot of nations so each government is different and it is hard to get a general consensus. also, the african governments are so limited on funds with the pandemics they face and food shortages funding for national wildlife refuges does not get the necessary funding. i will link what the author original pointed out but private, non government run farms successfully manage lions better than anyone government. they control 3x more land. they directly oversee lion population and contribute to a thriving lion population.

            this is obviously not the case outside these private sanctuaries and even the nationally protected lands has trouble with poaching as they do not have the funds to support the rangers needed to patrol it and combat poaching.

            here is what the author wrote:

            Let’s discuss where Bachman was hunting: the Maroi Conservancy. Conservancies can be loosely defined as a bunch of bordering properties that have agreed to remove all interior game fences, leaving only one big, contiguous fence surrounding all the land. According to Maroi, the area hunted here is approximately 8,500 hectacres, which translates to 21,000 acres or 32 square miles. The conservancy began as a family farm of about 900 irrigated acres.

            Prior to becoming a game operation, poaching was common on the crop fields and cattle lands. Nowadays, the profitable conservancy contains a variety of huntable species, and game meat from successful hunts is distributed to the local community to discourage poaching.

            “Funds generated from hunting go towards fixing the border fence that was washed away in the 2013 floods and combating poaching,” said a post on the Maroi Facebook page.

            Maroi is only a small part of a burgeoning game farm enterprise in South Africa. An enterprise that was created to help aid the wildlife population, conserve habitat, deter poachers and bring in revenue to local economies. In 1964 only three game farms existed in South Africa holding 575,000 game animals, reports the Professional Hunters Association of South Africa.

            As the groundwork was laid for more game farms wildlife became more valuable, “creating a direct incentive to purchase, own, protect and conserve it.” Today those early efforts have exploded into an over $85 million enterprise that is home to 20 million head of game on 40 million acres. The industry employs 100,000 people and owns three times more land than all the state-owned parks and reserves combined.

          • African Cheetah

            One question or two if I may.. If all the cattle farms change to hunting farms is that good.. ?? And if there is a world war what ever again will you come and hunt.. ?? I mean all or most will be employed to the hunters farms not true.. ?? And if you money bag does not allow that, will you send money.. ?? Especially for the children.. ?? You do not have to worry about the manager of the hunting farm, he will be rich.. But he will not keep his works on if there is depression.. But will you send money for the farm workers.. O thank you…………….. You do really, really think ahead.. Hope you will have enough saved for us then.. Thank you…

          • African Cheetah

            Thank you ……….. so very much……. You do not know how I feel right now.. You actually gave me a peace of hope.. And you restored so much of how I see Americans now. Sorry but I actually hated Americans for a wile.. I have tears because of hope ……. and relief. Thank you.. so much.. And good luck. Hope you succeed.. Thank you..

          • Robert Campbell

            If any of you actually cared about lions you would have petitioned to have lions placed on the endangered species list, not to punish a woman for committing no crime… you would have had more supporters, some of them from the hunting community.. who you have shunned and unfairly blamed for the state of the natural world. Fear and ignorance, indeed..

          • Nikki Kristyl

            I do hear you on that; in the beginning, it didn’t seem too bad, but the whole Melissa thing has now gotten completely out of hand and she has been made a social scapegoat for everything that is wrong with the government and laws in Africa. This is not right.

            I think those who truly care about lions, wildlife, and Africa would like to see the excess allowed sport hunting be curtailed, while still letting Africa reap the benefits of a certain amount of hunting revenue.

            For this reason, I no longer support them being placed on the ES list.
            http://www.panthera.org/blog/hunting-lions-unpalatable-necessary-conservation

            And yes, you’re right – some people get all crazy and shun hunters who also wish to protect wildlife. There are a lot of different kinds of “activists” (a word I am growing to dislike) just as there are different kinds of hunters.
            Hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving Turkey :)

          • Robert Campbell

            Thank you for your response. I wish you well. Respect. :)

    • Vicarious Fan

      oh cool slut shaming. I was wondering when someone was going to do that.

    • Alias47

      Since you happen to know so much…please feel free to read this article http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/opinion/saving-lions-by-killing-them.html?_r=1& written by the Director of Wildlife for the Tanzanian Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism.

    • George Price

      VA_Mom – I don’t know where you got your “facts” but they’re not accurate (some would say they are a lie) get your facts straight or go home !

    • Independentrd

      When you include numbers, Please cite sources for the 5%. I think you will find it’s much more than that. Having been a photographer, I find getting cleaned up and dressed appropriately for a photo shoot to be the appropriate thing to do when the photos are going to be used for promotion.

      In Michigan,back in the 60′s our deer herd was not doing well. The then DNR undertook active management of the population. The herd has since thrived. The deer are healthier and much more numerous. Hunters can take does as well as bucks and at times (it varies from year to year) a hunter can take up to 3 animals per year.

  • Ben O’Brien

    Same question as before…how do you feel about animals that kill other animals? Carnivores…do you hate all carnivores?

    • Isis

      I am sure a hunter (as most people here would call themselves) would starve to death if he did not get that lion meat!

      • Wolfie Sab

        Good point. One that hadn’t even occurred to me actually. If a hunter needs food they don’t fly halfway round the world to kill something. So another words she went out purposefully to assassinate this particular animal. Then killed it with no intention of consuming it’s flesh.

    • Cheshirekat

      I think my statement was pretty clear before Ben. In nature animals kill to eat and feed their offspring, survival. But humans going out with weapons to kill animals for sport is totally pathetic, and ruthless and serves no purpose. ESPECIALLY hunting an animal in a zoo, It’s hard to believe there is even a debate about this. Can you please explain how this would be something to brag about? There’s no skill or talent involved here. And can you explain to me how ambushing and killing an unaware animal in the wild with weapons is an accomplishment? These animals don’t know they’re being hunted, they’re defenseless, easy targets. wow impressive!!! Do you have pets? What if you’e neighbor went hunting in your yard and killed your dog a shot gun or rifle,Then bragged about it? Hmm, You would have to question his motive and sanity! As far as human/human interaction compared to human/animal interaction, well that seems self explanatory as well. Human/Human would be a relevant and fair interaction like I mentioned previously. Man was created after animals but created to rule over animals and take care of them.

      God made everything that lives on the earth — including the animals. In the beginning, the Bible says, “God said, ‘Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals….’ And it was so” (Genesis 1:24).

      And yes, the Bible commands us to take care of the animals under our care. One of the signs of a righteous man, the Bible says, is that he takes care of his animals (see Proverbs 12:10). Even the animal of an enemy was to be treated kindly: “If you come across your enemy’s ox or donkey wandering off, be sure to take it back to him” (Exodus 23:4). One reason God commanded His people to rest one day out of seven was so their animals would be refreshed (see Exodus 23:12).

      In fact, the Bible says we must never treat any part of God’s creation with contempt. When we do, we are indirectly treating our Creator with contempt. Instead, God calls us to be stewards or trustees of His creation, and the Bible reminds us that we are responsible to Him for the way we treat it. We’ve often forgotten this — but it’s still true, and when we ignore it we not only hurt God’s creation but we also hurt ourselves.

      Most of all, however, God calls us to put Him first in our lives. He loves us, and our greatest calling is to respond to His love by opening our hearts and lives to His Son, Jesus Christ.

      • Tomtom

        ^ This person is an idiot. It actually takes a lot of skill and talent to do this. Not everyone is able to shoot a bow or a gun with accuracy. I can only assume this person is affiliated with PETA. That would explain their ignorance to this subject.

        • Cheshirekat

          Hahaha, Missing the point all together as expected! “it takes a lot of skill and talent” to do many things so that is irrelevant. and I am actually an avid arms supporter, and proud gun owner (of many kinds). My husband is a Navy Seal and that takes skill and talent. The most elite fighters known for their stealth, endurance, strength and agility. You wouldn’t find my husband seeking pleasure or self admiration from killing a defenseless animal. The Bottom line is that hunting for sport is not a fair fight. Humans going out with weapons to kill animals for sport is totally pathetic, and ruthless and serves no purpose other than an ego or money.

          God asked Adam to name the animals in Genesis, not hunt them! One of the signs of a righteous man, the Bible says, is that he takes care of his animals (see Proverbs 12:10).

          “God was so interested in the welfare of the animal kingdom He created, that He even commanded Noah, in the time of judgement on the earth, to make the ark big enough to hold two of every kind of animal that existed.

          “A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel” (Proverbs 12:10).

          Part of the reason that God anointed young David to be king over Israel, was that he was a good shepherd and could be trusted with the sheep under his care, even risking his life for them when they were attacked by lions or bears (1 Samuel 17:34). God knew that if David had this sort of heart for his sheep, he would be a faithful shepherd over an even greater treasure–the people of Israel.

          In Deuteronomy 22:6-7, God promises a long life to those who will watch over wild birds. If we rape the land or the creatures in it, what will sustain us in the future? He allows for the taking of eggs, but commands that we release the mother bird to continue living in the wild and reproducing as He intended. In Job 38:41, God says that He hears the cries of newborn ravens crying to Him for food. Jesus went on to say that God supplies food for the wild birds and that not one of them falls to the ground without Him knowing it (Matthew 6:26, 10:29).

          These commands written throughout the Bible give us good insight into how God expects us to treat animals. Surely we will have to answer to Him for any abuse that we have committed against them. God created animals for us to love and to learn from. In them, we see our own dependence upon God illustrated in their dependence upon us.

          We can also see elements of our foolishness manifested in them (who hasn’t seen a crowing rooster and laughed at the comic caricature of ourselves crowing to all the world in our foolish pride?) In addition, God also tells us to learn from their wisdom:

          “Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest” (Proverbs 6:6-8)

          We are to respect all of God’s created order, not to worship facets of it, but to see in it the same call that we ourselves have, which is to glorify God. All of God’s creation was made with the ability and the power to glorify Him, each in different ways. In this, animals, as well as humans, share a common element with the rest of creation. :
          Let everything that has breath praise the Lord (Psalm 150:6).

          Sorry this became so long!

        • Wolfie Sab

          And the winner of the blame everything on PETA award is…….

          PETA PETA PETA……YAWN!

    • Wolfie Sab

      I have no problem with any animal [human or non-human], killing any other animal [human or non-human] for it’s own survival. However the case in point here is the subject of your article.

      Your intention in writing this article is to defend the actions of a human who targeted and killed a non-human animal purely for the bragging rights over it’s death.

      Can’t think of any non-human animal that would do that. Don’t suppose you would care to enlighten me?

  • Jared Baker

    Nothing is more satisfying than the thrill of the hunt!

  • Annie

    tsk tsk…..your vocabulary leaves a lot to be desired,

    I’m sure with all the worry you have in your little mind about other peoples ethics there is no room for an extended vocabulary or proper grammar.

  • Annie

    I agree, the language from some of these Drama Queens really reflects the size of their feeble little minds

    • Wolfie Sab

      I do apologise for my atrocious language but I couldn’t give a monkeys toss if I cause offence among you lot. I’ll do you a deal. You stop killing animals for fun and I’ll stop calling you evil cunts. Do we have an accord?

      • slayer

        STOP killing soy… i love soy so much and value its life beyond all others. you vegans are atrocious monsters! hypocrite dumbass… get real wolfie, vegan food is just as processed as hormone injected chickens.

  • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

    It’s more than just that of what you listed in this article. I will say it right out. Melissa is a good looking female ,and a educated women at that. That drives the anti-hunters nuts. They hate seeing women and children hunting because it totally debunks their little theory that all hunters are all uneducated white redneck males.

    • Annie

      So True ! Jealous little people that haven’t had or probably will ever have the opportunity to do what this woman does.

      • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

        I am just also going to point out that there is many dead lion pictures on the net with men standing over them and plenty of males shooting lions on video on the net as well . AND not peep out of these bunny hugger types.

        • Annie

          Exactly !!

          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            If anyone reading this doesn’t believe me they can Google “Lion Hunting in Africa ” and click over to the images tabs . Again I repeat. If this was male posing with that lion, this wouldn’t of been made such a big deal by the anti-hunters as it has.

          • Annie

            That’s the same thing I’ve said. These people act like it’s the first Lion trophy picture posted on the web.

          • Wolfie Sab

            Complete bollocks as usual. If you check these pictures out you will more than likely find my comments on them. Not all of them of course but give me a chance. So many evil cunts and so little time ;)

          • Nikki Kristyl

            Oh yes it would and does. The male rugby players that murdered a zebra are getting it too. This has nothing to do with gender. The world is on a social platform now and when people find out about what is going on (and they always do because most serial killers must post images of their kills to feed their egos) then the backlash begins.

        • Nikki Kristyl

          Actually there’s been lots of anger towards men as well. One example, for instance, was when GoDaddy CEO Bob Parsons went on a “safari” and paid big money to brutally kill an elephant, making a video of it. People were just as angry and disgusted with him, many pulling their money out of GoDaddy and going to Namecheap and Hostgator, etc.
          If so-called hunters enjoyed this killing so much, then why don’t they enjoy their brutality and blood without posting pictures and videos of it? Because their sick ego’s need it, that’s why. And when they post such images and videos, they are opening themselves up to all the hatred and anger the world has towards slaughtering God’s animals that should be protected, not murdered.

          • Wolfie Sab
          • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

            Show me one ….Show me one stinking Male lion hunter that you eco-geeks have singled out and taken it to this length like you have Melissa.

      • Educated

        “The opportunity to do what this woman does??”
        Let’s see; she pays money to gun down a tame, human habituated, lion in an enclosed area, where the tame lion has no chance to escape the gunfire.
        She funds this very brutal trophy killing industry in Africa called CANNED hunting, which several African groups continue to try and ban for its appalling conditions and slimy greed, for which the only purpose is to breed lions living in miserable conditions until they are brutally shot to death by some sick person who has a twisted inner need to gun down and then pose with another beings dead body.
        I hardly think anyone with a conscience would partake in this ‘opportunity’
        She deserves everything she is getting, and unfortunately for her, its getting worse by the minute. And all the other men and women who have paid money to do the same also deserve the social and perhaps, financial consequences of supporting such a vile business.
        The absolute ignorance and disregard for life that has been demonstrated by her and many others before her, is beyond sad.
        ‘Opportunity’ ?? I don’t think so
        And Karma IS a bitch

    • Nikki Kristyl

      Has nothing to do with women or children……

      “the outrage against Bachman isn’t because she’s a woman, so people need to stop boo-hooing about that and face the real issue, which is that sport hunting is a sick and disgusting “hobby.”
      http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/melissa-bachman-photo-killing-a-lion-outrage-trophy-hunting-hell-no

      • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

        Yeah no one is buying your BS. There is plenty of men dead lion pictures all over the the internet. Can you point me to one of those stories that was made just as such a big deal as this story by you stumper humpers? No? I didn’t think you could

    • Female Guest

      Indeed!!!!!!!!! As a female, and a non-hunter, think the fact that it was a woman who was in this picture is a huge part of the uproar. Our society wants to push ‘feminist’ ideas. However, the minute a woman chooses not to embrace the liberal interpretation of feminist (which is the only permitted form of female empowerment), she becomes enemy No. 1. See – Yahoo CEO controversy, Bachmann, or even Condolezza Rice. Powerful women who believe in non-liberal ideals are demonized. Full stop.

  • Glenn Barres, Jr.

    How about you actually link the studies and not some random non-profit.

  • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

    “We have no right to kill another animal” actually in most states hunting is considered a right . We’ve done this to protect ourselves against silly little eco-geeks like yourself. Educate yourself http://www.sportsmenslink.org/policies/state/right-to-hunt-fish

    • Wolfie Sab

      Again there is confusion between legality and morality. Having a legal right to do something doesn’t make it morally right for it to be done.

      • Wisconsin Wolf Hunt

        I am not ” confusion” anything.

  • Justin Mayer

    Well. I gave it about 8 hours and looking at the comments it looks like all the people with negative comments just looked at the picture and didn’t bother reading the article. You might actually learn something if you take the time to read things before throwing out pointless comments of your opinion. And stop bringing up the point of hunting is like killing humans, that’s just ridiculous.

    • Wolfie Sab

      Ridiculous. How so?

  • africaishome

    Great article. I still can’t quite grasp the concept of someone, somewhere being so offended by the natural order of things that they would try and alienate hunting and hunters. Frankly I’d be surprised if any great number of the people arguing against hunting in “AFRICA” have ever set foot on the continent? I say get your feet on the ground and come and see what the real situation is before you make an “educated” guess from half way around the world. I was born and bred here, I’ve been caught on foot unarmed and had to run for my life more then once and I’ve hunted. This life will give you a taste of reality in Africa. Someone stated earlier that only around 5% of the income from hunts goes into conservation? How much of your money can you say goes directly into conserving wildlife if any at all? Get real people. Its one of the few ways to actively and directly contribute to saving these animals.

    • Wolfie Sab

      I’m sorry but anyone who suggests killing animals as a way of saving them from extinction is a grade A fucking loon! If you really want to save animals from extinction, give them enough space to flourish in and leave them the fuck alone to get on with it. Fucking nut job, give me a fucking break. Seriously can you hear yourself and the sheer unadulterated claptrap you’re coming out with?

      • buck

        Man i have read a lot of your posts on this topic (wolfie sab) and while i think your trying to make a point you feel is valid i think you fail to understand some simple things. creating a habitat and leaving animals alone is most likely not possible. with so few lions a single outbreak of some disease could eliminate them if we dont take practices to control population like we do with so many other species. if they had the home range and not so confined this may not be the case, but it isnt how it is. hunting is a regulated form of control and quite frankly the most successful one. if we did not hunt some species could drive themselves into extinction because of how things are NOW. to leave certain species alone without regulation would be both detrimental to them and the environment they live. conservation of species is not most peoples priority concern, honestly i dont think a majority of our world really cares, but the small percentage of those that do need funding. and fact has it that hunters contribute more to species conservation than any other organization.

        now i am not saying i support either side here, every hunter i personally know hunts for food for their families. they do that in as ethical way as possible probably more ethical than the deaths nature can fathom. this canned hunt idea i see honestly as an abomination, a shame to a majority of ethical hunters and what they stand for. but as i understand your argument is not against hunters alone but the concept of trophy hunting or sport hunting. which is what some hunters choose to engage in. if africa had the resources to protect and maintain its wildlife with outside marketing im sure that would be the case. if they offered hunts for truly wild animals i would support that, but not canned hunts.

        that is my opinion though, as you have yours and others theirs. i am open to constructive debate as i feel thats the best way to view a situation, but i gather facts from both sides and comment respectively.

    • Educate

      Here is another long time resident of Africa that explains in detail what Melissa paid to do and another who explains how the legal canned hunts work:

      http://www.cannedlion.org/
      http://www.lionaid.org/news/2013/11/the-furore-about-melissa-bachmans-lion-kill-in-south-africa-continues.htm

  • Dan McKinley

    The true shame is, almost all of the people that really NEED to read your post quit after the first two lines or less. They have proven they aren’t interested in facts: facts ruin their agenda.
    Great post, tho!

  • Willem Frost

    YOU are the one talking rubbish. I just hope you are a total vegan, otherwise you are a hypocrite on top of your ignorance.

  • BEDLAM
  • Sanglier857

    Most women who slag her off are just JEALOUS!, why shouldn’t she or anyone else hunt, lots of these animals are bred for that reason,no different to a cow or a sheep, as for a true hunter not enjoying hunting, I am 54, I have hunted all my life, had my first shotgun at 13, and Loved every minute, yes I respect the animal because I also understand the animal, that’s how I am able to hunt it. All you City dwellers, just stay there and enjoy your life, and we will enjoy ours!.

    • Wolfie Sab

      Hello. I’m 53 Vegan, and a hunt saboteur here in the UK. I’ve lived in the countryside most of my life and I grew up in rural Worcestershire.

      Firstly, jealous? Of that vacuous self obsessed bitch? I should coco me old china. Sorry to lapse into a bit of Cockney patter there, but I thought, seeing as how the majority of dumb yanks think that’s how we all talk over here, I’d indulge your fantasy a little.

      So, now that the preliminary niceties done with, down to brass tacks then.

      ” lots of these animals are bred for that reason [hunting],no different to a cow or a sheep,” So that’s alright then is it? They used to say the same about negro slaves if my history knowledge serves me well. I do believe that women were also regarded in much the same way also at some point in world history. It’s only a nigger! It’s only a woman, don’t worry about her, that’s what she’s here for. Hardly makes something morally right though does it?

      “I’ve been shooting punker wallers for fun all me life you know, it’s perfectly legal and above board. I’ve got all the necessary documentation you know, what?” There is a whole world of difference between legality and morality.

      • guest

        and who decides the moral compass? societies around the world… im sorry that does not sway towards your fanaticism.

  • Anti stupid people

    You people are sick !!!! If hunting is murder then please stop eating meat ,because you have to kill an animal to get meat ….o and watch where you walk ,stepping on ants is murder . GOD putt a spirit in human and not in animals that is why it’s murder to kill a human been and not murder to kill a animal . Every body is making a fuzz about killing animals what about Muslims killing humans by cutting there heats off . Start there ,and if you have fix that problem the we can check the problem with animals !!!!!!

    • Wolfie Sab

      Talking about stupid, God? Who? Your imaginary friend in the sky? Stupid? Tried looking in the mirror recently. FFS!

  • Dear Deer

    ‘ If managed correctly, hunting is a solution for the lion and Africa, not the problem.’

    Yeah, like war is the solution to peace…… So, 400.000 people being disgusted by serial killers is ‘only an emotive response driven by a small group of individuals’? As compared to 40.000 rational people who think it’s okay?

    • Ben O’Brien

      I’d be more worried about the opinion of the experts I quoted, like a scientific non-profit study and the Minister of Wildlife for Tanzania, than 400,000 people who signed that petition.

      • Wolfie Sab

        A scientific study. Commissioned by whom?

        The Minister of Wildlife for Tanzania (a politician)

        The Minister for the Environment here in the UK, Owen Praterson. Is currently in the process of overseeing the killing of 70% of the Badger population in this country over the next 25 years (his ultimate intent). Even though this flies in the face of worldwide scientific research and advice, just to pacify the National Farmers Union which only represents 18% of the farmers in the UK. Oh but the NFU are one of the biggest donaters of funds to the governments ruling party.

        Please do not deign to insult my intelligence by referencing a politician as a reliable source of true fact. (Cos they is invariably as bent as a nine bob note and as full of shit as a curry house carsey)

        • Nikki Kristyl

          You’ve got it – money is ALWAYS a factor. Statistics mean nothing and can be manipulated by those with monetary influence. Look at politics and big business.

          The CAFO meat industry in the U.S. has decimated rivers, and systems for years, spreading contamination, disease etc. but they hand out money, money, money to get the rubber stamp approval for everyone to turn the other way and ignore what’s going on.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zla7o2OcJCQ

          • Wolfie Sab

            Exactly. money talks.

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  • Victoria

    I have a degree in wildlife conservation and ecology and I have to say it makes my blood boil when I hear people that pay to go and hunt animals in Africa say they are conservationists and they are actually helping the species by bringing in revenue! Hmmm let me think! Did that happen with the many animals that have become exciting through over hunting? Take the Javan tiger, exctinct from 1972 through over hunting, or the Pyrenean ibex, exctinct in 2000 through over hunting or how about most recently the African Western black rhino which went exctinct in November 2011 through hunting for its horn! It is a scientific fact that lion numbrs have declined substantially due to habitat loss (man made) and through loss of their natural prey (man made) and through hunting! There are more tigers in captivity in America than in the wild, again due to hunting or habitat loss. That isn’t conservation, it’s greed! Its the pursuit of adrenaline and a thrill, but at what cost! The only species in the entire world that would be classed as a pest or over populated is the human race!!

    • dylanpolk

      Poaching ≠ hunting. In fact, we have an entire section of this site dedicated to shaming poachers.

      Dylan Polk
      PH Social Media Editor

    • AR

      Where exactly is you degree from? I too have a degree in Wildlife Management and it’s not an opinion, but a fact that hunting is the number one biggest tool used in modern wildlife managment. Where do you think the money comes from for wildlife agencies or conservation efforts? It comes from HUNTING LICENCE FEES. Check your emotions at the door and look at science and facts. And I think you have hunting confsed with poaching. Which is not even close to the same thing.

      • Wolfie Sab

        No mention from you about the efficacy (or lack thereof) of this biggest tool then?

    • Wolfie Sab
  • grisu203

    Facepalm! This article is so full of nonsense and pure lies – it must have been written by an US citizen.
    Why don´t you just go an shoot a chinese – there are so many of them! Or an african, you have a long tradition in hunting them! Even your grand-grand father may have had some!
    I am shure, if you could afford it, you would also slay elephants, rhinos od polar bears – there are so many!!! And if someone tells you, there a not, ignore him and write an article like this one and say “it´s all just facts”.

    • dylanpolk

      What part of the article was a lie? And what does being a U.S. citizen have to do with anything? And how is shooting a lion even comparable to committing a crime against a fellow human?

      Dylan Polk
      PH Social Media Editor

      • Wolfie Sab

        What makes you think human life is any more important than non-human life? Important to whom? Serious question. I would really like to know your thoughts on this.

  • UK28

    IMO I feel that was a lot of unneeded waffle! The fact still remains that a beautiful creature was murdered for a trophy! not food or clothing – not a farmed animal – just for what seems to a lot of people for fun! For every action there is a reaction and she is getting it! will it change anything – sadly i very much doubt it! One day there will be no lions left along with a lot of other wild game animals – some will care – some will say I remember when but some – the hunters will not care less because if they did they wouldnt be doing this now! JMO!

  • Roller Derby Chica

    I am not hunter and I don’t really understand the premise for hunting for “sport”. I understand the concept of needing to manage animals because as humans we have taken a lot of natural predators away by destroying habitats to make more malls or living spaces. As humans we have become way over populated. I also understand the need for food or clothing. I just don’t understand the need to hunt for trophies or what feelings it brings. Reading this article, which is very well put together, and the comments below make me feel a little more educated. I still don’t agree with hunting for sport or trophies but I am a bit more open to understanding what hunting as a sport or areas that allow it. I feel it is wrong to go out there and make an animal suffer but from what I have learned most hunters actual spend hours, days, and so on truly tracking and hunting the animal trying for a one hit kill so the animal feels nothing. If they wound the animal they try to finish it off so it does not suffer. There of course is always the bad apples in any bunch that just don’t care and live off the suffering of animals. Knowing more about a person and the way they hunt seems to be a crucial part. My father is a hunter and my mother is very anti hunting. I thank you for this article and giving more more to look into. As someone who is an anti-hunting believer this has actually given me more opportunity to look into more information to make more of a educated understanding.

    • Ben O’Brien

      Thank you, this comment alone makes my efforts worth it. Get informed, than your opinion can truly matter.

    • Wolfie Sab

      “I understand the concept of needing to manage animals because as humans we have taken a lot of natural predators away by destroying habitats to make more malls or living spaces. As humans we have become way over populated”.

      You are on the right track but you have failed to recognise the one vital flaw in your thinking, the viewpoint. Yes we have taken away wildlife habitats so that our own species can spread and yes, we have become far too overpopulated.

      The real problem however, lies within the fact that, the way we are going things are only going to get worse. The human race will continue to expand and wildlife habitats will be continually made smaller and smaller to accommodate the growth of our own species.
      If we don’t change the way we view ourselves this will continue to happen, until we reach the point whereby the only other animals remaining on this planet will be companion animals and farmed animals.
      Basically if they don’t serve the needs of humans they will no longer be allowed to exist because they take up too much space on the planet for our needs. But in all honesty things will never go as far as that, for the simple reason that the planet will have died long before then.

      The only possible solution to this is indeed species management but while we cling to the preposterous notion that Humans are more important than all other life forms the answer will never be accepted. The answer of course lies within the unalienable fact that it is Humans that need to be managed.

  • Alex Brown
  • Arkansas Girl

    We are omnivores. that is a fact. we eat meat and we eat plants. meat does not grow on trees however. Lions, hunt with weapons, they are their claws and teeth. we hunt using our own weapons as well. lions sneek up on their prey, that’s how you hunt… if they know you are there you will have no food. we celebrate a successful hunt because it means there is meat in our freezer, and on our table. you eat meat, our ancestors ate meat. it is the circle of life. you get meat from the store we get ours from the wilderness. we worked hard for ours. so yes after a day of successful hunting, working, or whatever you celebrate. when you are taught to hunt you are taught to respect what you kill! you make a clean shot or no shot at all! we trek over miles to find the right spot or to find game. then we clean it and cook it ourselves. and when you have to much meat you donate it to those who have none. hunting is a way of life. it’s not going anywhere.

    • Wolfie Sab

      And I respect that. If I could do it I would eat meat. I can’t so I don’t.

      What I have nothing but disdain for is these evil pieces of shit who kill purely for the pleasure of killing. That goes for trophy hunters and serial killers and they are as bad as each other as far as I am concerned.

    • Nikki Kristyl

      Lions don’t pay money to have a tame animal strategically placed in front of them with no way to escape and then only kill for the sake and pleasure of killing.
      Yes, hunting meat is old school, but the definition of hunting has its lines very crossed here.

  • African Cheetah

    I do not know you big American words. But I do know this. The lion is a specie that should be protected at the moment. Why hunt protected species, why not the other animals that are plenty. Wait till the lions numbers are up and good to hunt again. You know and understand the word corruption. In Africa that is a big thing and no one is helping to go against corruption. Instead you are helping this word to thrive in Africa. In Africa we believe in hunting when you need it and respect the animals and nature. Animals need to multiply to be hunted otherwise there will be non to hunt at the end. We are all hunters here and yes we do enjoy it just like everybody ells. But we hunt when there is food needed in the house. Well most of us, I am not talking about the people here that has this corrupted way of thinking. But unfortunately there are people in Africa that is just after fortune and bustu with the rest. All I am asking is OK come and hunt, nothing wrong with it, BUT leave the protected species. There is a reason they are protected at the moment. Please help. You are welcome here, but please I beg of you to aluminate the feeling of “I want it because I can’t have it”. Leave the protected species alone for them to recover then you can come and hunt them..

  • William Derrat

    Mr. O’Brien–

    Look–my objections to Ms. Bachman’s actions begin with my spiritual beliefs. I happen to think ALL sentient creatures–alive AND dead–deserve a modicum of respect during their lives and after the fact of their deaths. I understand this isn’t always possible–many animals (humans and otherwise) die horrible, public, graceless deaths. Though I grew up in a large family of hunters and regularly witnessed the butchering of animals by my farmer grandfather (his actions fed us on many occasions), I’ve never been comfortable with violence or killing–HOWEVER it is coded, explained or rationalized. I also don’t assume to know enough about the particular element of hunting culture in Bachman’s photographs to be an expert.

    But I can say this with great certainty–I have a difficult time celebrating COMMEMORATIONS of violent death. The photographs are just such commemorations. This isn’t semantic wrangling or mean-spiritedness, Mr. O’Brien, despite your claims to that effect. A smiling hunter, weapon in hand, posing while standing over the posed carcass of a dead animal. As you seem big on “facts,” I hope we agree that my description of the photograph is ALSO a “fact.” Your argument that “to focus on the smile is to bring this issue to the lowest common denominator” is specious and disingenuous. Listen to yourself–the VIEWER is reducing the conversation to the “lowest common denominator”? Really? The hunter and/or photographer haven’t ALREADY placed the discussion at some lower level of rhetoric? He/she bears no rhetorical responsibility for this? Once a photograph becomes public business the author/”artist” loses a great deal of ownership over not just the image, but the interpretation of said image. If Ms. Bachman has the intellectual pedigree that you claim (and I’m not doubting she does, I simply don’t know for sure), she understands this. She works in television–so she undoubtedly comprehends the power of a mass-produced and disseminated image to inform, entertain, inflame. To rationalize her behavior by saying “[a]s hunters, we celebrate our kills in many different ways—the fact that we cheese for the camera is only a byproduct of a successful hunt, not indicative of the reason for hunting” is a tactless apologia for a “hunter” who herself lacks tact. I don’t think “cheesing for the camera” is a respectful response to the act of killing. I don’t believe that you do, either…

    Here are a few other questions worth considering–why are the photos necessary? For whom are they intended? Do some folks really ENJOY looking at such images? What do they prove? What WORK do the pictures do after-the-fact? Does fetishizing hunting in this manner improve it in some way? Does it justify the deracinated behavior on display in the pictures? Do the photographs COMMEMORATE something worth remembering? What might that be–the size or type of the woman’s firearm? Her obvious (but rather cliched) physical attractiveness? The artful posture of the animal’s lifeless body? The lack of context for understanding the killings (including the kind of leisure class trappings/lifestyle that make trips to Africa to hunt another continent’s animals possible)? Do the pictures serve some ceremonial function that reclaims them from being what they most PROPERLY are, snuff art?

    When I hear the arguments of those SUPPORTING this woman’s right to engage in this sort of behavior, I think of indigenous people all over the globe who uniformly RESPECT the bodies and spirits of the animals they’ve killed. This woman turns hunting into some vapid spectacle by reducing the act, its outcome and its final meaning to a photograph. A lousy, cruel picture. Say a prayer over the animal, thank it for providing you with meat (or whatever else it was for which you might’ve killed it), apologize to the creature for taking its life, RESPECT its spirit. I don’t see ANY of this in the pictures. The taking of the picture is crass and its USE is even moreso, given the limitations of the frame and its ability to obscure situation, motive, audience, etc. I have MANY hunter friends who don’t feel the need to snap a photograph of what they’ve done. To me AND to them, tact is an essential component of the ritual of hunting. It’s possible that Bachman’s training in media/television is the reason for her smile–maybe she smiles because it is what’s culturally expected of us in a photograph, maybe she’s nervous or anxious. Who knows? Whatever the case may be, I feel this woman shouldn’t be smiling. If she got ANY real sense of SELF-fulfillment in killing the animal, she wouldn’t need to gloat and externalize her actions in this way. Consider how YOU would feel if a stranger–and we CAN agree that this woman is a stranger to these animals–smiled over the waked body of a loved one. This woman lacks tact, sensitivity, common decency–not so much for killing the animals but for her ambiguous need to document her actions as if she were a teenager posting a selfie to Facebook.

    I should make clear that I DON’T agree with those spouting hate for this woman–I can RESPECTFULLY disagree with her actions…but please don’t trivialize the ethical (if sometimes excessive) responses of those who object to her actions. They have just as much right to take offense at Bachman’s glibness as she does to kill these animals. We’re BOTH likely taking aim at an easy target…

    • Ben O’Brien

      You had me for a minute until you asked me to consider how I would feel if a stranger smiled over a dead body of one of my loved ones. You seem smarter than that pandering anti talk.

      • Wolfie Sab

        And yet again you home in on one particular piece of text and formulate an attack intended to ridicule. This about sums it up for hunting types.

        You would do well to remember the words of the wise and venerable Thumper Rabbit, “If you can’t think of anything nice to say, then don’t say nothing at all”

    • Nikki Kristyl

      ~ Excellent ~
      Your post alone, should be the reason why this page was created

    • slayer

      a lot of what you said was your personal opinion or that of hunters you know. i dont know what culture your from but in todays social media pictures are taken for whatever the event. she felt the need to share with followers, that is her choice, so what, she has that legal right. for centuries people have taken trophies from animals, a claw necklace, antlers, whatever, but your core problem is the fact she appears happy.

      so what, i mean really… i know hundreds of hunters and every major hunting website, magazine, outfitter, has pictures of dead animals and more than likely a hunter over top with their weapon. your beliefs are just that, yours. other people have theirs, i think hitler tried to make a like minded society at one point….

  • Pat

    I came to this site to get ‘the facts’ before I formed an opinion. I’m ready now: If you’re not eating it or protecting someone you are hunting for ‘fun’. And unless you leave the scope and high powered rifle or compound bow behind, you are cowardly.

    • Wolfie Sab

      Hear, hear!

  • Ariza Twa

    “If lions are listed by the United States as an endangered species, American hunters may choose to hunt other prized species outside of Africa or simply not hunt at all. This would add further strain to our already limited budgets, undo the progress we’ve made, and undermine our ability to conserve not only our lions but all of our wildlife.”

    Choose to hunt other prized species outside of Africa or simply not hunt at all? And this is bad because…?

    That sounds like a good thing instead of a bad thing to me. Do Americans REALLY need to hunt to feel happy and satisfied with their lives? First world problems.

    • guest

      no, the percentage of americans who hunt is far less than those who do, and those who trophy hunt is a very small percentage of the hunter community.

      i think what he is implying is most reserves that protect lions rely on the income from hunters to combat less ethical means of people who kill lions and to maintain their sanctuaries… poachers in africa kill them just because they attack livestock. they spear or arrow them with poison and simply let them die. money generated from hunters helps keep the majority of them safe in reservations…

  • Johnboy

    Why do people think we humans are aliens on this planet? The creator put us at the top of the ecosystem to manage and “have regard” for the animals.We humans are not invading animals habitat, we were always here at the begining!

    • Wolfie Sab

      Religious hokem. And thereby hangs the tall tale. One of the roots of all the evils perpetrated in this world. The triad of the the evil three, Religion, politics and money.

      Let me guess now. Your imaginary friend in the sky told some people to write a book about how he made the universe and all it’s inhabitants just for the sake of mankind and a few billion people have fallen for it. The greatest confidence trick ever thought up.

      Humans are not the only life forms on this planet, let alone the universe. We don’t own the planet or any other creature inhabiting it and we are certainly no more important than any other inhabitants thereupon.

  • Educate Yourself

    That is a lot of unintelligent rambling to support this serial killer. I am not sure where some people think she is a “hunter.” Her – and people like her – that kill caged animals just for the joy of killing and collecting dead bodies to pose with, are not hunters and they give real hunters a bad name. Participating in the destructive and loathsome canned “hunting” industry is one of the most damaging acts ever. If you truly want to educate yourself, please feel free: http://www.cannedlion.org/ What is done to these lions (from birth to death) to support this industry is inexcusable and like it or not, Melissa is deserving of all the backlash, death threats, and the like, as she has brought this on herself by pasting these sick images of herself all over the internet. She’s loves attention, and now she is getting it. In a strange way, maybe a good thing for people to have a REAL look into this issue.

    • Wolfie Sab

      Well said!

  • Jay Dimaline

    Clearly, the person whom wrote this thread was to busy staring at her tits, it’s bias right down to it’s very core and I myself aren’t going to waste my time typing up a 50 paragraphed argument about how this is both morally wrong, and how many of the people defending her acts try to downplay just how many people disagree with what she did. This isn’t a “Small group of people.” trying to defame her, this is hundreds of thousands of people telling you, that what she did, was not right in their minds, and is unacceptable. Hunting won’t save this animal, how about if we – THE HUMANS, step the fuck off for once and let nature have some space, that, would be the way to save them, not hunt them down and brand it as ‘saving’ them from farmers and what not. VA_mom is completely right, well said ma’am.

  • Papermooner

    Whatever your “romantic” version of killing a living thing for any other reason than abject starvation of your family is a bunch of crap. Family “bonding”? Glad I wasn’t born into that clan.

    • Ben O’Brien

      Your comment seems willingly ignorant. That’s all I’ll say.

  • Chrys Rix

    I am frightened for this woman. It is so ironic to me that people who say they wouldn’t ever kill anything go on to make violent, threats against her personal safety! This whole issue has made social media a LOT more frightening than it was a few weeks ago!

    • Wolfie Sab

      That’s because no non-human animal deserves to be killed.

      • Ben O’Brien

        What about animals that kill other animals?

        • Wolfie Sab

          Non-human animals kill out of necessity. Humans don’t. Humans are the only animals capable of evil. Evils such as killing for the pleasure of doing so. Evils such as wars, slavery, segregation and persecution. Humans are the only species about whom it can be justifiably said that some of us truly deserve to die.

          If a non-human animal kills another animal there is a reason behind it. It is either for food, to perpetuate it’s own blood line, or self defence. When a non animal kills or attacks a human it is in self defence or fear due to it’s mistreatment by one or more humans at some point in it’s life.

          When a human attacks another human? Who knows? Some humans just enjoy attacking and killing things.

        • Nikki Kristyl

          Animals that kill other animals is in the nature of things.
          People who pay money to have a tame animal placed in front of them to be gunned down point blank for the sake of pleasure in the act of killing is a serial killer, not a natural hunter.

  • Spiderkiller

    Flies , cockroaches, mosquitos…. spiders, ???????? I hunt and I like it!!!!!

    • Nikki Kristyl

      Hunting is just fine. paying money to murder a tame, enclosed animal for ego’s sake is not.

  • Wolfie Sab

    I am Vegan for life and I am fervently against bloodsports. However, I understand the necessity or the lifestyle of some humans to hunt, for the sole reason of subsistence.

    I don’t have it in me to wilfully take the life of another being. All life is sacred to me and yes, I do mean all life. There is no way I will ever support the systemic cruelty involved in the farming of animals and I can’t bring myself to kill an animal, so I don’t eat meat or any other animal products.

    Hunting for “sport” or the taking of any life for the pride or pleasure of killing is another matter entirely and is nothing short of cowardly and sadistic. There is no honour in killing for the sake of it. If you derive pleasure from the act of killing, join the armed forces and go and kill some like minded humans. Oh but I’m forgetting; they shoot back don’t they!

    • Ben O’Brien

      Our ancient ancestors have been eating meat for at least 1.5 million years. Good luck overcoming the entire history of mankind.

      • Wolfie Sab

        You haven’t read what I’ve written have you?
        You picked up on one word only (Vegan) and you haven’t taken anything else in have you?

        I fully accept that some humans hunt to feed themselves and their family. That’s fine by me because that is nature’s way. I don’t have a problem with that, I couldn’t do it so I don’t eat meat, it’s that simple. I would even go so far as to state that, I believe that if people want to eat meat they should go out and and kill something for food. If they are not prepared to kill it, skin it, gut it and cook it themselves, then they have no business eating it.

        Bringing animals into this world purely to be imprisoned, have bits removed by burning or cutting without any pain relief, bullied and then brutally slaughtered so lazy arsed humans can waddle into a supermarket and grab a piece of dead animal flesh off the shelves is not natural, or healthy for that matter. Neither is it nature’s way to kill for the sake of killing or indeed for the pleasure of killing.

        If you are not prepared to even listen to my reasoning then I have nothing more to say to you.

        • Ben O’Brien

          I think you make some good points, but whether or not game farms in South Africa are in line with your morals or not, the point of this article is to detail how they are beneficial to all involved…including the animals. The lion issue (in the wild and behind high fence) is a complicated study in cohabitation and how human interaction with predators such as this causes governments and industry to find alternative solutions to how to achieve a commonsense solution to conservation. Poaching, eroding habitat and lack of financial resources are problems present regardless of how you feel about the morality of what’s happening in South Africa.

          The solution isn’t as easy as anyone would like it to be.

        • buck

          wolfie sabe, you live in a world that does not exist. the systematic farming you speak of is needed so people like you can choose to live the life that you choose. soy is a living bean at some point before processed into most vegan foods… but i guess plant life isnt as important to a vegan as animal life. some farms are disgusting, some raise animals with a higher quality of life than they would ever achieve in the wild. i doubt you raise or grow all the crops necessary for you to maintain your vegan life so why would you insist the vast majority of people who eat meat do the same? if every human had to hunt and gather their food obviously we would probably have almost no wild game left on this planet, hence why we have mega farms to produce them so people like you (vegan or not) can sit behind a computer and be hypocrites to what reality is. those same mega farms probably mass produced and processed your vegan food at the direct habitat loss to wild animals…

          to answer a question you keep asking…killer whales will sometimes kill animals just to hone hunting skills (and not consume it) sometimes foxes will kill and only eat the heads (leaving other parts to rot) cats and dogs will kill just to kill (ever seen a dead mouse or bird laying on your steps for days? i have) leopards sometimes will kill just to kill. nature has more instances of this than you think. coyotes/ wolfs will kill to protect territory. not the same but they dont eat what they kill.

          i understand your point of view, i also understand the authors. walking into a conversation with a closed mind is to contribute nothing to the other side or to yourself. you view trophy hunting as bad and immoral, author is pointing out some pros, to which you fail to take into consideration. he seems to be asking constructive questions while you are not, really. trophy hunting has benefits, when done ethically. it can benefit both animals and humans, as others pointed out. canned hunts are sick, and in my opinion do not paint a good picture for hunters and also detract from the concept for the idea of a “trophy” that is my view though, it is not the womans in question. she has the right to do as she pleases though, regardless of her moral compass. it was done ethically and well, if this was a “canned” hunt, we should celebrate that she put an animal down that most likely would not have survived outside human aid. is she wrong for ending the sad life of said animal, ending its suffering? or because she supported canned hunts? its not really for us to say, but if some of that money went to help other wild lions live unhindered and peacefully and to combat poaching and unethical killing of “wild animals” such as many tribes down their do to protect land and livestock from lions, isnt that a benefit to a greater good?

  • Leslie Young
  • Kawartha

    After reviewing several safari tour sites i can now confirm you are full of BS. They offer to prep the “trophies” for your return flight and offer taxidermy services! What a crock. Also the list of animals that they offer you to hunt is unreal. This is the same location that she did the hunt. http://www.africatrophyhunting.com/0-20.aspx?$1=1835 You might want to do your research before you try to pull the wool over anyones eyes!

  • Joe

    Wow, holy shit this is a stupid article. Everything the author said was wrong and ignored the deeper issues. Bachman is a POS for what she did. Any apologist for her and hunters is also a POS. Oh yeah I know, I’m an unreasonable hater just driven by emotion. Yeah because anyone who cares about things and gets angry when they see the things they care about being violated MUST just be unreasonable… If everything the author said is true, then why can’t I “hunt” people?

    • Ben O’Brien

      What was wrong about what I wrote? Factually I mean…

    • Nikki Kristyl

      Yes Joe, many folks would rather see a photograph of the beautiful, majestic lion standing upon the gunned down body of (you fill in the blank here) with a smug smile on the magnificent Lion’s face.
      But for some strange reason, this is not legal. I guess because #1) no money exchanges hands and #2) no animal ever murders in the way that the armed human animal does. The lion hunts game to eat, not to trap and kill in an unequal situation, just to get his picture taken.
      Most people on the “stop M.B. FB page” seem to be hoping that she meets with an unfortunate hunting “accident.” This is not some sort of threat, just an observation of the backlash she is receiving from posting her sick ego-driven pictures online. Well, she loves attention, and now she’s getting it.

  • Educate

    Yes, what she and others like her are doing is simply giving money in exchange to murder an enclosed tame animal that is unable to escape from her gunfire.

    She is blatantly supporting the canned “hunting” industry which is not actually hunting, so it should really be called canned killing or canned slaughter. This is what really goes on:

    http://www.cannedlion.org/

    http://www.lionaid.org/news/2013/11/the-furore-about-melissa-bachmans-lion-kill-in-south-africa-continues.htm

  • Denis

    well, first start to think logically, sport hunting really helps animals and habitat on witch they live on by consuming money (in term of protection and care) from hunters who hunt there, but why they need protection and fence after millions of year living without it? Because of money, that’s why you people are sick and with fake sense of moral and doing something good. I don’t care if you kill even a little unicorn if you put that kill in practical use like food, leather for protection etc. but killing just for trophy hiding behind words like ”Sport hunting” ”Legal hunting” etc. its just sick, this web site like others is just for ”promoting the hunt” but behind is just company’s who selling weapons for hunting just like company’s who sell weapons for war. Trophy hunting is good till you still buying our weapons! Sport hunting (Killing for fun), it’s legal (hide your disorder behind law).

  • MORTIS

    I find it curious when writers make statements starting with the words “The Truth about…” on whatever topic; as if their views are somehow the last and final word on reality. The evolution of consciousness and knowledge should be telling us Humans that, much like beauty, Truth is in the eye of the beholder, and that any notion of absolute ‘truth’ is nothing more than a personal guideline for the current ‘best practice’ so far. But no – after countless millennium of realizing the things we believed in previous generation are no longer correct or appropriate, we Humans continue to believe that presently NOW we finally have the answers and that we know how things should be done. I have to wonder how many beliefs we currently have that, in 1 or 2 hundred years from now, we’ll eventually look upon as ludicrous or barbaric, such as we have come to believe about… oh I dunno – witch hunts or blood-letting, or that the Earth is flat?

    On the other hand, you folks here are probably wondering where I’m going with this, or that my comment is some sort of bazaar rambling. Well my friends, here’s My ‘truth’, or shall I say – best practice so far.

    I’ll begin by mentioning that I don’t necessarily support the typical views of either hunters or anti-hunters, at least not in their mainstream fashions.

    I think the anti-hunters often weaken their argument against hunting by their emotionally charged cries of how cruel hunting is toward those beautiful animals, or those cute and innocent creatures. Or ask ‘what did those animals ever do to you?’, while at the same time, most of those so called animal lovers will buy at the supermarket the cellophane wrapped flesh of other animals that were callously slaughtered in the name of corporate profit.

    The problem I see with hunters is, first of all, they seem to take for granted the idea that hunting is somehow part of the ‘natural order’ or ‘balance of nature’ simply because most every other animal or species on the planet does it and therefore must be natural or normal for Humans to do as well. It’s interesting how we humans think of ourselves as incomparably higher on the evolutionary scale than all other living things, as we judge certain behaviors as beneath us or ‘animalistic’, and yet we will cite other activities and behaviors as natural and acceptable because, after all, it happens most everywhere in the ‘natural’ world. We seem to choose whatever behavior we want as normal or natural for us Humans and then rationalize it to our liking.

    Second of all, there seems to be a widespread global assumption that Humans are the only species in the world that really matters; a conclusion which is viewed as entirely rational to our absolute and singular sense of self importance. We therefore believe Human life is the only sacred life, while all other species are viewed from an economic or practical perspective as something that needs to be managed or culled, rather like pruning the branches on a bush in order to manage its pattern of growth.
    As our planet is increasingly burgeoned with the Human population, our collective minds continue to search for better ways to ‘save lives’, Human lives of course. The very thought of killing Humans in order to manage population would be viewed by all as grossly absurd and utterly immoral. We believe each and every one of us has the right to live, and we do everything in our power to protect that right. So why do we assume this ‘moral right to life’ is reserved for Humans only? The morality we apply to Humans is the polar opposite to what we apply to all other life. If any Being has a moral right to life, then shouldn’t All living beings have a moral right to life? Any answer other than Yes is bigotry or racism, or more precisely in this case, ‘specie-ism’.

    Humans have made great strides toward eliminating class-ism, sexism, and racism among their own species. How many more hundreds of years until we eliminate specie-ism and finally embrace ALL life as sacred?

    • Wolfie Sab

      Your truth is my truth,the truth I fight for, an end to speciesism. No single species has a “right” to life above all others.

  • Uk1989

    It starts to become wrong when the dead animal is called a ‘trophy’.. Something you get for ‘winning’ and a ‘well done’ for achieving. If its conservation you would have respect for the animal, the land and be respectful and sincere when having to kill something. Having your picture taken with the weapon of destruction is called ‘proud’ and ‘gloating’. This is what non hunters have an issue with. That we can’t get our heads around why you would be proud of shooting and killing. You should be reserved about it and be sad that you have been put in a position that is by means of killing for conservation because your very own species has taken over their land.. You should be reserved and respectfully. Not having your picture taken, grinning, showing your weapon that you used to kill and be proud of this moment. And then gloating about this killing by using a sick picture to show off the death. Death is not a trophy. A trophy is something to be proud of..

    • Wolfie Sab

      Er dude? Why are you having a pop at me. I’m on your side.

  • Claudy willy

    La chasse est AUTORISÉE dans la BIBLE MAIS !!! SEULEMENT pour Nourrir Votre famille en cas de nécessités !!! ; MAIS PAS COMME VOUS FAITES !!! Je suis mois même UN EXCELLENT tireur ,Mais pas comme ça !! . ATTENTION !!! UN PÉCHÉ CONTRE L’ESPRIT : C’est de continuer à FAIRE CE QUI EST INTERDIT en toutes CONNAISSANCES .

  • Leslie

    Hey Wolfie Saab – if you courent speak or write wif de english so well – please use a spell check before you post…..

    • Wolfie Sab

      Que? Saab? they’re cars aren’t they?

  • ดอกไม้ แห่งชัยชนะ

    Hunters have no respect for life. If they do, they will not kill. Hunters are the same! Humans are full of opinions that are not truth. Ask the animals if you want the truth!

  • hunters suck

    Most often, hunters are low IQ individuals harbouring damaged egos. They have to kill something in order to feel like they have any relevence in their pathetically small lives. How many of these people would continue to hunt if they were being hunted themselves while hunting? Not many, most are cowards to the core.

  • barfuss

    Sir, it may be that you are too polite to say so, but I have seen more references to Melissa Bachman’s breasts than any person – straight or otherwise- could bear. It seems to me the female-ness of the hunter attracted a lot of critique for no other identifiable reason.

  • agatha

    OTHER PEOPLE KILL TO FEED A VILLAGE YOU KILL SHOW, FOR
    MOUNTING ON WALLS AND A TROPHY. YOU ARE
    DISGUSTING!!!!!

  • Pierce Knorr

    well I guess we need to go and catch all the animals in the world so they don’t hunt each other, because hunting is murder.

    • Wolfie Sab

      Please don’t be a knob. Yawn! Heard it all before. Non human-animals don’t kill for “sport”

      • slayer

        killer whales? some species do… google is your friend, idiot.

        • Wolfie Sab

          Yes I’ve watched David Attenburgh too. Sea Lions have big teeth and the Orcas toss them in the air to kill them without fear of a counter attack. They also toss them to their young to teach them how to kill.

          Two things that set us apart from other animals are the ability to smile and the capacity for evil. Nature is cruel but only humans are sadistic.

          • slayer

            that wasnt your point, they kill because they could. they did not eat it. it is impossible for you or anyone else on this planet to understand an animals motive so why even bother? you wanted an example of animals that kill for no reason or even “pleasure” cats kill to “play” with a dead corpse and sometimes dont bother to eat it. dogs, cats, other animals, even LIONS have been known to kill entire litters of offspring be it their own or another males simply to bring the female back into heat quicker. is that not a “pleasure” motivated killer? it obviously is contrary to what you say, and since you cant decipher the animals motive why bother…

          • Wolfie Sab

            The catch and play behaviour seen in pet cats is a result of their domestication by humans. They no longer need to hunt to feed but they still have the instinct to hunt. Many household cats will present dead prey to their human hosts. I am not sure why they do this but I don’t think it is natural behaviour for wild cats?

            There are many instances of non human males killing litters that aren’t sired by them. They do this not only to bring the females into season but to ensure the continuation of their own bloodline.

            I didn’t say nature wasn’t cruel. The natural world is inherently cruel. The key point here is that what non-human animals to they do by instinct not by choice. Humans have evolved to a point where we have the ability to choose to do things. We are not on the whole driven purely by instinct. With the exception of a few indigenous peoples we no longer have to kill to eat, we can choose not to. Therefore if we kill we do it by choice.

            As I have said before, I don’t have a problem with humans killing to eat, that is the natural order of things. Humans [having the choice to kill or not to kill] who choose kill just for the sake of killing with no necessity to do so, are acting outside of morally accepted boundaries.

  • No Such Thing As Sustainable
  • Spin

    Well written and well researched!! Just a pity the readers are mostly self-righteous loudmouths seemingly impervious to reason…..

    • Wolfie Sab

      You mistake self righteous and loudmouthed for angry and impassioned.

      • Spin

        Angry and impassioned about what? Angry about the fact that In 1960, there were only three game farms in South Africa. There were only half a million head of game. Changes in the law to permit private ownership of game and commercialise big game hunting coincided with the sea change that we see today: 10,000 game farms, supporting 20 million head of game on as many hectares. By contrast, the government formally protects only 7.5 million hectares as national parks.

        • Wolfie Sab

          We can’t solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.

          Albert Einstein

          Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins385842.html#QIF9gF9zzijtVx4Q.99

          • slayer

            lol your logic is so irrational, what do you think happens if animals are not “managed” the 24,000 in private cull hunted reserves has had a stable, growing population. the some 8,000 in unprotected areas have been declining rapidly, most likely to the point of extermination. guess what, those ones in the “un managed” areas are not being killed by trophy hunters…

            wow, go figure. when you can present a fact that states otherwise let me know. the lion will not go extinct thanks to these private run conversations who actually know how to balance and keep prey/predator ratios proper.

          • hunters suck

            Huh, thought you were talking about humans until the last sentance.

          • slayer

            was replying to wolfie sab’s childish concept of why animals are and need managed.

          • slayer

            i have not been insulted, not even now, you have no logical sense or base for a conversation so you resort to the only thing your immature self, and seemingly severely limit mind, can fathom which is vulgar baseless remarks.

            are you that upset that someone presents logical points that dont coincide with your fanaticism? most of the anti hunters have nothing worthwhile to say except comments like yours. that helps a lot for the cause (NOT) and seemingly says a lot about the uneducated, misinformed, bandwagon morons that a majority of anti hunters are. that is just too bad and sad, i kinda feel bad for people like you. you have no say or control and feel some need to lash out and use derogatory remarks on the internet so you can feel good inside. you are everything you hate and you dont even know it.

          • slayer

            lol you crack me up, it must be hard for prepubescent socially stunted kids like you. RAGE RAGE RAWL… your attacks and attempted insults dont mean anything and are quite hilarious. i hope someday you acquire enough sense to be able to contribute to a society.

          • hunters suck

            More than one dipwad hunter like you has spent the night in the county jail due to me pressing charges, one fortunate soul had to have a doctor pick the rock salt out of his ass in the ER along with the bonus of needing a new rear window and paint job for his pick up…..why dont you come on by for a visit sometime?

          • Wolfie Sab

            What is your view on it then? Why does wildlife need to be managed?

          • Wolfie Sab

            I imagine animals “managed” themselves perfectly well for a few million years before humans stopped co-existing with them and began to systematically destroy the eco-systems of the world.

            There would be no need for wildlife to be managed if we sorted out the over population of our own species. The only species that needs managing is Homo sapiens. Long live Homo veganus! ;)

    • hunters suck

      What a nice picture of yourself spin, full of shit, just as the photo indicates. Just look at the pictures above of so-called “hunters”…..should be titled “ignorance on parade”. “They know not what they do……..”

      • Spin

        Not to over educated are you? In the early 1990s, we were on a guided tour of the Pilanesberg Game Reserve. I looked around me at the devastated landscape, with nary a tree taller than a man. The ranger told us the park had sixty elephants too many, but that nobody wanted them, because they all had their own elephant problems, and transport was too expensive.

        “So what are you doing about it?” someone asked.

        “We hunt them, from the north of the park, out of sight of the regular tourists, who tend to get terribly upset about it,” he replied. “The revenue helps, but we can only host one hunt a month, which isn’t enough.”

        The upshot of the misinformed anti-hunting and anti-culling sentiment of the dinner party set was that an entire park ecosystem was put at risk, just to “save” a few elephants, of which there were plenty.

        • hunters suck

          Apparently more educated than you, at least I can spell. See my post about ten clicks down, that says it all. What the planet needs is dicks like you managing the wildlife. “Man” has screwed up everything on this planet…..what we need is a reduction of the human population by 90 percent or so. What we need to do is hunt the hunters. A few of you getting “knocked off” in the bush would send all the other pussy cowards running under their mommies skirts.

          • Spin

            nary
            ˈnɛːri/
            adjective
            1.
            informal or dialect form of not.
            “there was nary a murmur or complaint”

  • michigan hunter

    Thank you for a well written article, i doubt half of the anti hunters have read this or even looked further into it beyond here. they condemn her in some of the most vulgar disgusting ways and if they were right, prove to be no better, if not worse than the said hunter. having read that the meat is used to feed local villages who would otherwise poach an uncountable number of animals without any regulation and that the trophy hunting business generates close to 3 billion in revenue for africa annually which is then used to maintain and gain lost habitat for wild game was astonishing to learn.

    people dont understand that a majority of hunters directly influence the positive gains for wildlife and their environment through license sales and contributions. they also dont understand the need for conservation in the ways of maintaining healthy heard and ecosystems, which is all evident by the ignorant blatant attacks they feel compelled to do.

  • Wolfie Sab

    Racist bigot as well as a red neck jerk

  • http://aol.com/ Louis G White, Jr

    She is a real piece of work!!… gives real hunters a bad rapp!!

  • Frank K

    I don’t understand why everyone is becoming unglued over this issue. Our society has reached a level of barbarism through the convenience of abortions by butchering human life . A day doesn’t go by without hearing about a mass shooting as no one has any regards for human life in general. I guess we have to eat our own in order to get the attention of whats really important or just maybe that will become the new fad.in America. You go gurl!

    • Wolfie Sab

      And what in your opinion is really important?

  • Alias47

    So many people, including hunters, become extremely polarized when it comes to Melissa Bachman. I don’t understand why so many hunters jump in and attack her, especially when it means supporting the agenda of the anti-hunters. I wonder if some men feel threatened by the fact that she is a successful hunter AND an attractive young woman?

    • Wolfie Sab

      Because real hunters, hunt for food. This bitch and all the other evil “trophy hunters” kill for the sake of killing and the enjoyment thereof.

      • Alias47

        Do you have any evidence that any of her kills are wasted and not eaten? This lion was eaten.
        If she wants to draw attention to her gender…so be it…I just don’t understand why all the other TV hunters get a pass while Melissa gets skewered.

      • JRJ21

        Hunters pay for all conservation and you who do not judge them?How ignorant.The game feeds locals and supports the economy,get over it and study who pays for it all and literally make it possible to have the game survive THE HUNTERS.

        • Wolfie Sab

          Why do animals need to be conserved now, when they have managed to survive extinction for millions of years without human interference?

          • JRJ21

            Because it’s human cities and settlements that have taken their habitat.Hunters are the real time,now,conservators of wildlife areas that preserve their remaining habitat.Hunters are the game farmers of today.Do to scream at farmers as they harvest corn?”You’re killing the corn” screaming at hunters is the same.

          • Wolfie Sab

            Er, hate to tell you this but corn isn’t a sentient being. Yes I do shout at farmers quite a lot actually usually because they allow hunts onto their land. The only way I would shout at an arable farmer would be if they were selling their produce to farmers who feed it to livestock, to fatten them up to be slaughtered for human consumption.

            Here’s a thought, instead of setting up conservancies which turn a profit by charging rich people astronomical sums to shoot wild animals for trophies. Why not allow them space to live and leave them alone to live as they have done for millions of years before humans destroyed their habitats.

            So human cities and settlements take up the majority of land space in Africa do they? I didn’t realise that.

            Hunters are not the game farmers of today, the conservancies are. They raise animals purely for the purpose of making money. These so called hunters of which you speak are just rich thrill seekers with too much time on their hands and who enjoy killing for the sake of it.

            Hunters are people who kill for food. People who kill for pleasure are sadistic tossers.

  • George Price

    to all you “anti” ANYTHINGS I say this: “where ignorance is bliss ’tis a folly to be wise” and NEVER were truer words to be spoken than where vitrial ignorance flows like $200 champagne !!

  • MORTIS

    I
    find it curious when writers make statements starting with the words
    “The Truth about…” on whatever topic; as if their views are somehow the
    last and final word on reality. The evolution of consciousness and
    knowledge should be telling us Humans that, much like beauty, Truth is
    in the eye of the beholder, and that any notion of absolute ‘truth’ is
    nothing more than a personal guideline for the current ‘best practice’
    so far. But no – after countless millennium of realizing the things we
    believed in previous generation are no longer correct or appropriate, we
    Humans continue to believe that presently NOW we finally have the
    answers and that we know how things should be done. I have to wonder how
    many beliefs we currently have that, in 1 or 2 hundred years from now,
    we’ll look upon as ludicrous or barbaric, such as we have come to
    believe about… oh I dunno – witch hunts or blood-letting, or that the
    Earth is flat?

    On the other hand, you folks here are probably
    wondering where I’m going with this, or that my comment is some sort of
    bazaar rambling. Well my friends, here’s my ‘truth’, or shall I say –
    best practice so far.
    My following comment applies to both Melissa Bachman and all for which this website stands.

    I’ll begin by mentioning that I don’t
    necessarily support the typical views of either hunters or anti-hunters,
    at least not in their mainstream fashions.
    I think the anti-hunters
    often weaken their argument against hunting by their emotionally
    charged cries of how cruel hunting is toward those beautiful animals, or
    those cute and innocent creatures. Or ask ‘what did those animals ever
    do to you?’, while at the same time, most of those so called animal
    lovers will buy at the supermarket the cellophane wrapped flesh of other
    animals that were callously slaughtered in the name of corporate
    profit.

    The problem I see with hunters is, first of all, they
    seem to take for granted the idea that hunting is somehow part of the
    ‘natural order’ or ‘balance of nature’ simply because most every other
    animal or species on the planet does it and therefore must be natural or
    normal for Humans to do as well. It’s interesting how we humans think
    of ourselves as incomparably higher on the evolutionary scale than all
    other living things, as we judge certain behaviors as beneath us or
    ‘animalistic’, and yet we will cite other activities and behaviors as
    natural and acceptable because, after all, it happens most everywhere in
    the ‘natural’ world. We seem to choose whatever behavior we want as
    normal or natural for us Humans and then rationalize it to our liking.

    Secondly, there seems to be a widespread global assumption that Humans
    are the only species in the world that really matters, a conclusion
    which is viewed as entirely rational to our absolute and singular sense
    of self importance. We therefore believe Human life is the only sacred
    life, while all other species are viewed from an economic or practical
    perspective as something that needs to be managed or culled, rather like
    pruning the branches on a bush in order to manage its pattern of
    growth.
    As our planet is increasingly burgeoned with the Human
    population, our collective minds continue to search for better ways to
    ‘save lives’, Human lives of course. The very thought of killing Humans
    in order to manage population would be viewed by all as grossly absurd
    and utterly immoral. We believe each and every one of us has the right
    to live, and we do everything in our power to protect that right. So why
    do we assume this ‘moral right to life’ is reserved for Humans only?
    The morality we apply to Humans is the polar opposite to what we apply
    to all other life. If any Being has a moral right to life, then
    shouldn’t All living beings have a moral right to life? Any answer other
    than Yes is bigotry or racism, or more precisely in this case,
    ‘specie-ism’.

    Humans have made great strides to eliminate
    class-ism, sexism, and racism among their own species. How many more
    hundreds of years until we eliminate specie-ism and finally embrace ALL
    life as sacred?

    • hunters suck

      Finally, someone with an IQ over 3. Congratulations, well said.

  • Doug

    Melissa, I cannot comprehend why so many people focus on you when there are so many other men and women that hunt and display their pictures proudly. To be honest when I saw the news and all the comments I felt there are still a lot of men and women in this world that are sexist and choose to only single you out.

    We can debate the good and bad of hunting forever. The short story is that some people enjoy it and some don’t. If we hunt by local laws and we spend every reasonable effort to ensure we don’t wast any part of a game animal, then keep it up and never stop.

    For the rest of you that have your heart set against hunting remember that your values are not mine and you have NO RIGHT to force them on anyone else but yourself.

    Doug

    • hunters suck

      That is where you are dead wrong Doug. When your activities threaten OUR planet, you will be made to stop. There are 100 of us for every one of you, I predict your kind will soon be extinct. It looks like they had to get everyone that works at this magazine to post in order to get more than 2 people who share your view. The sheer fact that your kind believes you have the right to kill anything reveals your shockingly low level of intellegence.

      • Doug

        Let me know how your cheeseburger or chicken sandwich tastes…do your research on chain restaurants, clearing land for cattle etc…commercialization of beef and poultry kill 100′s of millions of animals a year….you make your choice, i will make mine….

        • Wolfie Sab

          My views are the same as hunters suck and I’m vegan. Next argument?

          There is a whole world of difference between hunting for food and trophy hunting

          • JRJ21

            What, your opinion?Hunters pay for all conservation.What do you do?

          • Wolfie Sab

            I’m a British hunt saboteur. Next question?

          • JRJ21

            Do you go to farms and sabotage the harvest equipment?Get a life,hunting grows game and pays for ALL THE KEPT WILDLIFE AREAS AND CONSERVATION.What do you do?Stop all human settlement which takes animal habitat,Hunters pay to keep the habitat intact and capable of carrying the certain amount that land supports,Now you get it?Hunters save animals.

          • Wolfie Sab

            No, we go out into the countryside and stop evil people on horses hunting wild animals with packs of hounds. We also stop rich wankers shooting purpose reared pheasants for their own sadistic pleasure.

            I do have a life thank you very much. In fact I have something far better than a “life”, I have a cause.The world doesn’t revolve around me or my selfish pleasures. I spend a great deal of my spare time preventing evil sadists killing animals for pleasure. What does your life entail other than self gratification?.

            Why do wildlife areas need to be kept? Surely kept animals aren’t wild in the true sense of the word wild? Why do animals need to be “conserved” when they have managed fine for millions of years without human interference?

            Stopping humans settling in areas of wildlife habitation would be brilliant yes. Why does the human race place it’s own needs above those of any other species? Hunters seem to think that all other species need to be managed when it is our own species which should be controlled.

            All this taradiddle about “conservation” is just a smokescreen to hide what is really going on. You are not conserving wildlife, you are rearing wild game to be shot purely because you enjoy killing them and it is profitable.

      • JRJ21

        Your cultural hatred sounds like a klan member.Hunting feeds the local people and manages the herds and pays for the very survival of the herds. Your bigotry is rooted in ignorance.What do you do to pay for wildlife conservation.The hunters pay FOR IT ALL.

  • patriot156

    As for me thumbs up fo her hunt nothing I’d do because I couldn’t bring myself t eat it and should only hunt for food, but depredidation is important a well. I’d kill a wolf if it attaked me and if it’s taking too many elk then ya id kill it. Same for mt lions as well let us hunt with dogs damnet!

  • George Price

    the only “phonies” I see in these comment sections are the emotionally unstable “anti’s” who want to control all the rest of us while they go on their merry way living their “do as I say NOT as I do” lives ! If they had their way we’d all be eating tofu shaped like dog food (because Lord knows, eating animal shapes makes us savages) while they watch “housewives” on their big screen TV’s and burning books and defaming Christianity – I have some much better ideas …. and as far as how much the safaris put back into local economies WORLWIDE, it would be nice for a pleasant change IF “FACTS” were used in their arguments rather than emotional jibberish and liberal control tactics – Funny how they pick and choose the monikers and terms they use while they literally pull stats and numbers out of their BUTTS (because they sure don’t align with all the TRUE statistics) , reminds me of the REAL HISTORY I have studied from circa 1937-1944, hmmmmmm… VERY INTERESTING !

  • George Price

    and BTW, I’ll take Melissa Bachman over Pammy Anderson ANY day of the week !!

  • George Price

    VA_Mom – 5% huh ? and what do you “think” the profit margin is for these safari outfitters ? and THAT is AFTER paying the local trackers, staff, game keepers and local game warden force (that works tirelessly to curb the poachers) AND local and regional governments for the privilege of conducting such enterprises – I am incensed by the ignorance that you “do gooders” spew in the name of furthering your own PERSONAL agenda while hard working people toil to survive – instead of practicing your TYPICAL liberal day to day routines you might want to take some time (and some of your (OUR) money) and visit a trade show or expo such as the Safari Club International annual convention and see THE FACTS by meeting and talking with the good people from all walks of life, from all parts of the globe (or would you rather just bathe in your ignorance and misinformation ?)

  • Eireboy63

    Your article is pure apologist drivel. Don’t focus on the smile, the money paid to the Maroi Conservancy will help them to sustain the animal populations…you are using slices of truth to prop up your obvious support of the practice. Had she considered partnering with wildlife management and conservation agencies to have her cake and eat too by firing a dart instead of a bullet? Nope. She’s posed over the dead lion, expressing pleasure. That is a fact. The lion is dead. That also is a fact. She makes a living posting such photos on her now inaccessible facebook page and website as a “hardcore huntress”. These are facts, that when taken in their totality, indicate that any benefits to conservation efforts that might have come out of her Africa safari trip were secondary to her desire to experience the thrill of approaching the living animal to within 60 yards, with her rifle at the ready, and killing it. There is nothing redeeming in this act. It only serves her interests, and those interests have little to do with the preservation of endangered species.

    • JRJ21

      Yes the redeeming part is the conserving of the habitat that the lions thrive in.Her money and other hunters money pays for the set aside land and the wardens who control the hunts and the herd is kept to sizes that the land supports.Your hatred is a cultural hatred of bigotry and prejudice not unlike a Klan hatred of blacks.Do you protest a crop harvest and scream at the farmers that they are KILLING THE CORN?They are corn farmers, hunters are game farmers.What do you do to grow game?Find another cause that you can bring your ignorance to.

  • wingatu1

    Anti-hunters: Firstly, i must commend all of you on your adamant passion regarding the “inhumane” harvest of South African Lions. Bravo! You have successfully entered your most basic contact information on Change.org and in doing so, “Signed” a petition to end a practice that has been deemed legal by a plethora of individuals VASTLY more qualified/informed than anybody commenting on this page (please correct me if i am wrong). Step 2, i can only assume, would be to carefully select the area on your back windshield where you will affix your $9.00 “Save Simba” bumper sticker. AND then…(cue crickets). Nothing.

    …Thats right you will do nothing. You will find the next relatively controversial issue on Buzzfeed and repeat Steps 1-4.

    I mean c’mon guys where’s the push for the development of a recycled sailboat made out of dasani bottles and used tampoons that will transport all of you safely to South Africa so you can strategically protest around the 32 square mile Maroi Conservancy. In 513 comments, you would think it would be suggested by now (guess ill take the cake there).

    if an animal can be hunted man will hunt it, whether you like it or not, it’s been in practice for a little while (i think). whats funnier is that time and time again its those same men who dedicate their entire lives to seeing those same populations thrive.

    regroup and take a REAL stand anti’s, but i really want you to try this time. until that point my buddy’s and i will continue in the legal and ethical harvest of game animals which god put on this Earth to sustain ALL of us. And by golly, I sure wouldn’t mind if Ms. Bachman tags along.

  • JRJ21

    Hunters pay for all game conservation,all you do is cuss We are the reason these game are still here.Do you hate farmers because they grow an harvest corn?Get a grip on reality. ,hunters support wildlife.What do you do?

  • ed

    I gave up all hunting in 1962 after I had the opportunity to raise 4 African lion cubs until they were 3 months old. Any person who shoots a lion should have his nuts and dick cut off and shoved down his throat. If he refuses to keep his mouth open, chop his damn head off.

  • Alice Susan Harding

    Who is their right mind would say Mellisa Bachman or any of her clones are attractive? If you look at her in the light, she is a repulsive psycho. The sick people who support hunting – killing – for pleasure are full of lies, excuses and hypocrisy. There is no excuse for what you do and no justification. It’s murder, you are sick, end of. You are not killing for need, or for food, but for greed and bloodlust and love of making another creature suffer. You are a bunch of psychos who also take trophies from their ‘kills’. You are not normal. The problem we all have is that psychopaths are virtually incurable and even psychopaths don’t want to treat them as any interaction with them is so horrible. Only God can save them. As to the rest of us – normal human beings – we don’t want to see any more species being HUNTED to extinction. Enough is enough. They are teaching the children to do the same and they won’t stop until every one is dead and then it will be people’s pets and then people. These are sick twisted hypocrites who don’t know the difference between right and wrong.

  • Independentrd

    And where do you expect the natives/farmers to go? As human population, number of farms, and livestock increases, the Lion’s domain decreases. That results in a conflict with the natives poisoning the lions indiscriminately and the meat wasted. The problem is the loss of habitat and conflict with the local residents..

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